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1 minute ago, Gabby'sThighs said:

Well, you can prove anything with facts! 

Yeah, they won the Conference in 12/13, the season after he left. (He is still playing, and just got promoted from the National League with Chesterfield.)

I know, he was in the stags academy at the same time as my son in laws brother, he told us he was getting £4,000 a week at Derby which sounded excessive at the time, but hearing about some of the contracts handed out since, who knows.

57 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Older folk than me have oft reference this.  They do say had we done what York did back then (and since), we'd actually be York now!

 

Well... I think we'd still be called Derby, but you know what I mean.  🤓

Dork ?

Just now, BaianoPOTY98 said:

We’re staying 18th to 22nd and got 2 kids with us, 7 and 10, not sure if they should be at school or not lol 🙈

7 and 10, they’re unusual names.☺️

3 hours ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

As a club taking into account our history, punching above our weight would be top 10 in the premier league, the minimum we should be is a top 8 championship side anything lower than that then we’re underachieving. Last season (22/23) finishing 7th in L1 was the joint worst in our entire history. 

However given we’re 2 years on from near oblivion, and the distribution of finances in football over the past 5-8 years especially, in our current state to be anywhere near the playoffs would be punching above our weight. 

I’ve been fortunate to see Derby as a top 10 premier league club beating some of the big boys, but have to face the possibility we’ll never get back there. To get back to the premier league alone will be tough. And to survive you need to spend £150m!! It’s bonkers.

The premier league has changed football in this country for the worse, it’s almost a super league in itself and I think unless a regulator gets hold of it there will soon be a clamour for it to become a closed shop and the concern is some foreigners or self interested clubs who know nothing about the history of football in this country will decide 1 or 2 clubs from the East Mids is enough for the top table (bit like what Derbyshire is facing in cricket) and that would be devastating. I think I’d turn my back on all football if that happened.

We couldn’t have picked a worse decade to be s***. 

Lots of it might be owed to the owners but until it is turned into equity it’s still debt.

44 minutes ago, Gabby'sThighs said:

The way-back machine tells me Mansfield were in League Two then.

Best get it seen to then, cos it’s clearly broken 😂

23 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

The Prem are saying - That if you take away Parachute payments , the promoted teams won’t dare sign top players from all over the world .If you get up - owners have to invest in the squad first , before the gravy train can start . Burnley went up with 101 pts and invested £100 mill , only to come down . It’s high stakes gambling . I can’t see David Clowes wanting to play .

Forest took out a loan with tv money as the guarantee, probably aren’t alone in doing it.

6 minutes ago, Gabby'sThighs said:

Have we signed a non-league player since Malcolm Christie?

I'd love Derby to copy their methods and pick up some rough diamonds from non-league, but they also have a good record of picking up young players who have been rejected by bigger clubs or fallen out of the 'academy' system. Ivan Toney was in the Newcastle set-up, Dwight Gayle was released by Arsenal and Peterborough picked him up from Dagenham & Redbridge. Simon Davies & Matthew Etherington were scouted as teenagers playing regional football.
They appear to act quickly when they see talent, give those youngsters a shot in the first-team, then aggressively find them a decent move while their stock is high.

Derby seem to hang on to those players for too long, then they get a crap fee or nothing at all, Jeff Hendrick being the obvious exception. Might even have got more for Will Hughes if he'd joined Man Utd a couple of seasons earlier. And at the moment, PW is reluctant to play youth anyway.

The other angle to Peterborough is that selling your best players every season holds you back.

Tom Naylor from Mansfield.

11 minutes ago, ImARam2 said:

The Premier League Prize money table was announced at the weekend and it ranged from Manchester City banking £143.4m for finishing top.

The three relegated clubs received the following: Sheffield Utd (20th) £102.2m; Burnley (19th) £104.3m & Luton (18th) 106.5m, respectively. Forest, for finishing 4th from bottom, receiving £108.7m.

The total prize & TV money distributed to the 20 clubs was £2.455 billion = an average of £122.75m each.

The three relegated teams from the the Premier League will also receive parachute payments as instalments over a period of three years as follows:

The first payment is 55% of the broadcasting revenue which every club receives after the equal split; the second season is 45% and then 30% in the third season after relegation, respectively.

That probably works out at about £200m over 4 years - one season in the Premier League & 3 years in the Championship.

No wonder the relegated clubs retain their top players and return quickly to the Premier League with that revenue stream.

So where does that leave the likes of The Rams competing for new players with that amount of money?

 

 

Teams relegated after only one season in the Premier League only receive year one and two payments, nothing for year three.

1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:

Finished Hatton Garden on Netflix last night.

This came out on BBC originally, and I'm guessing a bunch of you saw it.

About the Hatton Gardens safe vault break in, I thought it was great.

Timothy Spall is a tremendous actor who does as good a job as a nasty East End villain as he did as a gay literary professor in The Sixth Commandment. 

In fact, the acting throughout was first-rate.

Gangster movie with no guns or explicit threats of death. Amazing, it was entertaining, really.

He also played Peter Taylor in Damned United.

13 minutes ago, maydrakin said:

I know I have paid absolutely no attention to the top division for a couple of years, but I can honestly say that I have never heard of 10 of the players in the provisional squad and don’t think I could pick several more out of a line up…

Not just me then 🙂

20 minutes ago, Premier ram said:

I went the last time we played them , League Cup tie 2006 I think at Edgeley Park , Rams won 1-0 Michael Johnson with the goal

We also played them in a preseason friendly before that, my first visit to the ground, can’t remember when it was though.

52 minutes ago, Stagtime said:

Over 78,000 at the MCG. I’ve read that is Newcastle’s largest ever crowd.

Champions league 1997 v Dynamo Kiev, 100,000.

59 minutes ago, MaltRam said:

I agree generally, but Brighton's debt is eye-watering.

Brentford owe a mere £62 million to their owner.

34 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

After relegating Burnley of course the obvious move is to Bayern Munich. 
 
Madness. 
 

Not sure Suggs is management material.🙄

35 minutes ago, Steadybreeze said:

Maybe we should try it again then

Too late, that’s why they bought in automatic points deduction for  administration after Leicester cheated the system.

26 minutes ago, Steadybreeze said:

Funny people on here blaming Maguire for our woes, don't pay your taxes you end up in screwed. It was only a matter of time before we got found out.

It worked out ok for Leicester.

1 hour ago, ram59 said:

Very interesting, is there a similar table for Lg1?

 

Our gates didn't suffer that much from lack of away support when we dropped down to Lg1, because PP seemed to be everyone's 'Wembley'. Next season will see a minimal increase from away fans especially when considering we will lose 3 of the highest away followings from this season.

I can’t find anything up to date for League One, only the same table that was discussed on another thread that was from December 28th.

On 18/05/2024 at 09:38, Archied said:

Yep , that’s what I thought he meant though I’m not sure it will be too much difference as pp was THE big away day for many clubs in league 1

The average number of away fans at Pride Park last season was 1,430.

The average number of away fans in the championship last season was 1,790.

Lots of information here.

52 minutes ago, Rev said:

Best of luck Marco, loved you back in the day. 

BBC News - Sunderland legend shares heart bypass surgery shock
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c722xmm8yvpo

He played more games for Derby than he did for Sunderland, 188- 157.

1 hour ago, Ram-Alf said:

I'm shocked I tell ya 😁, A player celebrates on the lash when his club won the EPL then once the ale has kicked in some people get a little excited.

I and others on here may well know people who haven't won owt in their lives but still kick off after a few beers 😮

I watched the Netflix documentary last night about the England Euro final at Wembley, I think half of the fans on Wembley way wouldn’t have known there was a match on by lunchtime, and it was an evening kickoff 😂

A red letter day voucher, then he can choose whatever he wants.

I drove a rally car at Silverstone for my 50th birthday.

Lots of other experiences.

It’s also my 70th birthday in September and our 50th anniversary next year.

29 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

How many losses will you accept?

Before doing what.

38 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

OK, so let's dissect your rationale:

1) "We'll have a good budget" - None of us know what our budget will be but I would imagine it's not going to be particularly close to a top 6 budget. There will be 4 teams with parachute payments, some clubs kitty will be boosted by players they are able to sell, some seem to have owners more willing to splash the cash and, whilst our attendances (and therefore gate revenue) may be amongst the best, it won't be significantly bigger than a number of clubs.

2) "We'll be an "attractive" club" - By this I assume you're suggesting good players will be tempted to sign for the club. This may well be the case but, I'm pretty sure for most players and their agents, money has the loudest voice.

3) "We'll be an ambitious club" - I doubt very much we'll be unique in this respect. There will be several I reckon that fancy their chances at making the play offs.

4) "A club with a "successful"  manager" - Wow, this is a bit rich coming from you. I don't think anyone would doubt that PW's success has only been proven at league 1 level to date. He has no successful track record at Championship level but many of us reckons he deserves a chance.

5) "A manager wanting to prove himself" - I would imagine every permanent manager (if there is such a thing) wants to prove themselves.

You're right, the thread is about aspirations and top 6 should be the goal BUT you said "why can't we expect a good run at top 6". There is a difference between aspirations and expectations.

For me, the aspiration is to be up there having a good go at the top 6 but my expectation is much lower.

I know I added a smiley face to my original response but the cynic in me can't help but think that if we're not close to the top 6 by Christmas (or earlier) you'll be calling for his head on the basis that we should "expect" to be in contention for the play off places.

 

Everything l would have said if I could be bothered 😂

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

I asked why can't we expect a good run at top 6. You give me the answer why not matey. 😄

Everyone else has blocked you and I’m not coming out to play 😛

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

So you're saying the manager isn't good enough, because I didn't say that in my post.

You said it last season, you wanted him sacked, now your saying we should be expecting top six in a higher division with the same manager 😂