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As well as a sell on fee I'd want a cut of any loan fees received for him in the next few years. If he's as good as people say he is whichever club he goes to will be getting some pretty hefty loan fees for him while he develops. Loan fees are a nice earner for Prem clubs these days. For example, Liverpool must have made a tidy sum on loaning Harry Wilson out in the last four years (to Hull, us, Bournemouth and now Cardiff). It'd be nice to get a cut of that too, if possible.

It may be unlikely that people would resign in the same situation (although some might), but the employer wouldn't be paying full salary either for as long as the injured employee took to recover from their non-work related injury. Many would get sacked, some may get unpaid leave, some may get statuary sick pay (followed by no pay at all), but the number getting full pay for as long as they wanted would be close to zero. 'Full sick pay' only applies for a limited period, and not if the employee was fully or partly responsible for their injury due to their own drunken recklessness.
You may have a point about him being treated unfairly compared to the other two (although as I and others have said, they could still fulfil their contracts; Keogh couldn't), but the idea that the club haven't treated him well compared to any other employee who can't work due to their own stupidity is, in my opinion, a poor one. They even offered him a compromise deal on lower pay, with full support in his recovery, and he refused.
 

You're just being ridiculous now. The whataboutery doesn't wash.
Most 'professional' jobs are completely different to that of a sportsperson who has a contractual obligation to avoid situations where they're putting their physical health in danger. Keogh didn't act responsibly in any way, shape or form so reneged on that obligation.
He was offered above and beyond what the club were obliged to offer him. The boo hoo poor Keogh routine is a joke. The club didn't want to sack Keogh, he forced their hand.
You'd also be a massive hypocrite talking about "kicking people when they're down" if you'd happily have seen Lawrence sacked despite being at his lowest point following the death of his mum and receiving a conviction for drink driving (to be fair I can't remember if you have said you'd sack Lawrence or not).
The more I think about it the more this looks like profiteering by his agent.
He wants his cut, but if Keogh's wages are reduced so is the the amount of money he'll get.  Essentially they're taking the club's naivety in trying to offer everyone a suitable individual solution knowing that they can claim inconsistencies in the club's handling of the matter, snubbing the offer made to Keogh, never having Keogh apologise for any part he played in the events that unfolded and manipulating the situation to give themselves a big ol' pay day down the line.

I think the club might have missed a trick here. I've just checked up on statuary sick pay, and an employer has to pay £95.85 for up to 28 weeks if an employee can't work due to illness or injury. Let's not quibble about gross misconduct etc., lets just pay him the £2683.80 we owe him, and no hard feelings. 
I can't believe the lawyers are making such a big fuss about it ?

I think the club might have missed a trick here. I've just checked up on statuary sick pay, and an employer has to pay £95.85 for up to 28 weeks if an employee can't work due to illness or injury. Let's not quibble about gross misconduct etc., lets just pay him the £2683.80 we owe him, and no hard feelings. 
I can't believe the lawyers are making such a big fuss about it ?

That's a side effect of one of my pet hates; the British media's obsession with the USA. I think it was Bill Bryson who said that you'd think that the US was roughly where France was given the coverage it gets in this country. Other countries aren't like that. It's particularly noticeable during hurricane season. Every year we get breathless coverage of business owners boarding up windows in Florida or Louisiana because a storm's on its way. Why is that news here!? It's thousands of miles away, it happens every year, and the advancing storm has usually already flattened half of the Caribbean.
Rant over.
 

As well as a sell on fee I'd want a cut of any loan fees received for him in the next few years. If he's as good as people say he is whichever club he goes to will be getting some pretty hefty loan fees for him while he develops. Loan fees are a nice earner for Prem clubs these days. For example, Liverpool must have made a tidy sum on loaning Harry Wilson out in the last four years (to Hull, us, Bournemouth and now Cardiff). It'd be nice to get a cut of that too, if possible.

As well as a sell on fee I'd want a cut of any loan fees received for him in the next few years. If he's as good as people say he is whichever club he goes to will be getting some pretty hefty loan fees for him while he develops. Loan fees are a nice earner for Prem clubs these days. For example, Liverpool must have made a tidy sum on loaning Harry Wilson out in the last four years (to Hull, us, Bournemouth and now Cardiff). It'd be nice to get a cut of that too, if possible.

Sounds like a case for Wagatha Christie. Get on to it Coleen!

In what way do you think those involved have treated their employer fairly? You speak about their rights; what about their responsibilities?

In what way do you think those involved have treated their employer fairly? You speak about their rights; what about their responsibilities?

It'll be interesting to hear the reasonings of the judgement if/when they're published. Whilst Keogh wasn't driving he also wasn't wearing a seat belt, which was something entirely in his control. The club could argue that although he wasn't responsible for being injured by someone else's driving (although he did get into a car being driven by someone who he knew had been drinking), the extent and severity of his injuries were linked to his own actions (not putting his seat belt on).
I can see both sides of the argument, but ultimately, although the drivers involved were idiots they didn't render themselves valueless to the club, i.e. they could still play and/or be transferred. They would have been sacked if they were imprisoned. Keogh however rendered himself valueless to the club by his own actions (allowing himself to be a passenger of a drink driver and not doing his seat belt up). The other two could still fulfil their contracts; Keogh couldn't. 
I think it would have been better if all three had been sacked, but if the other two had won appeals as well we'd now be facing a massive bill for back payments with nothing to show for it. What a mess.

It depends what they're objecting to. He's a decent Championship-level defender, but looking purely from the outside he's a player who is well into his 30s, only recently back from a serious career-threatening injury and was sacked by a previous club for his involvement in a drink-drive accident. I can imagine a lot of supporters wouldn't want their club to sign a player with that baggage. I'm also fairly certain that plenty of our supporters would feel the same if the player in question wasn't Keogh. (I don't have a strong opinion either way, just suggesting how fans of other clubs might view it)
 
 

As well as a sell on fee I'd want a cut of any loan fees received for him in the next few years. If he's as good as people say he is whichever club he goes to will be getting some pretty hefty loan fees for him while he develops. Loan fees are a nice earner for Prem clubs these days. For example, Liverpool must have made a tidy sum on loaning Harry Wilson out in the last four years (to Hull, us, Bournemouth and now Cardiff). It'd be nice to get a cut of that too, if possible.

It depends what they're objecting to. He's a decent Championship-level defender, but looking purely from the outside he's a player who is well into his 30s, only recently back from a serious career-threatening injury and was sacked by a previous club for his involvement in a drink-drive accident. I can imagine a lot of supporters wouldn't want their club to sign a player with that baggage. I'm also fairly certain that plenty of our supporters would feel the same if the player in question wasn't Keogh. (I don't have a strong opinion either way, just suggesting how fans of other clubs might view it)
 
 

It depends what they're objecting to. He's a decent Championship-level defender, but looking purely from the outside he's a player who is well into his 30s, only recently back from a serious career-threatening injury and was sacked by a previous club for his involvement in a drink-drive accident. I can imagine a lot of supporters wouldn't want their club to sign a player with that baggage. I'm also fairly certain that plenty of our supporters would feel the same if the player in question wasn't Keogh. (I don't have a strong opinion either way, just suggesting how fans of other clubs might view it)
 
 

Having checked the Championship league table Serdar Dursun reflects on just missing out on a move to Derby County......

Having checked the Championship league table Serdar Dursun reflects on just missing out on a move to Derby County......

Having checked the Championship league table Serdar Dursun reflects on just missing out on a move to Derby County......