Alty_Ram

Yup , 20 million or tell em to get lost 😉

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

Dug my scrafe out of the cupboard from the first time in an absolute age. Seemed like an appropriate game for it to make its reappearance 🙂

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

Dug my scrafe out of the cupboard from the first time in an absolute age. Seemed like an appropriate game for it to make its reappearance 🙂

I don't know that we were lucky to win the points in the sense of them being better than us or anything, just that we spent large chunks of the game getting nowhere and you wondered where a goal was going to come from (for either side). I'd say that we shaded a game of limited chances and the slightly better of two mediocre sides won it. Looked like we had thrown a couple of points away when we gave a soft free kick away at the end and then defended it badly to give them an equaliser, but to be fair, at least we kept going and one or two players gambled to try and get the win. Fornah's surge and pull back being exactly what was needed.

Yup , 20 million or tell em to get lost 😉

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I first encountered B4 on another forum many years ago. It was a very different place compared to this forum, and at times was not pleasant.
That B4 was able to become such a star here is down to @David and his team. What a valuable resource this forum is for Rams fans. Yes we carp, squabble and throw hissy fits, but the reaction to B4’s passing, and his many posts, show what a strong and supportive community we have.
#BeMoreB4  COYR!

Only just caught up with the sad news 😞. Sleep well fella. Your relentless and unstinting positivity re DCFC was an inspiration and a lesson to us all.
Just ask that Steve Bloomer fella to shuffle up a bit; you've earned a decent seat 🐏

Only just caught up with the sad news 😞. Sleep well fella. Your relentless and unstinting positivity re DCFC was an inspiration and a lesson to us all.
Just ask that Steve Bloomer fella to shuffle up a bit; you've earned a decent seat 🐏

Hi all, I'm another long time reader of the forum but have never felt brave enough to join and post, until now. Like many of you I didn't know B4, but recognised him and his dad at away matches. Last season I was sat next to him at Bristol Rovers, and although we exchanged pleasantries, again I wasn't brave enough to say I recognised him from the forum! If I had, I would have said, as a confirmed "happy clapper" myself, how lovely it was to read his always positive posts, and how his absolute love for our club shone through. It's a measure of the man how many of us are saddened at his passing, even though we didn't know him. Heartfelt condolences to all B4's family and friends, and I hope in time all these lovely messages will bring them some  comfort. 

Only just caught up with the sad news 😞. Sleep well fella. Your relentless and unstinting positivity re DCFC was an inspiration and a lesson to us all.
Just ask that Steve Bloomer fella to shuffle up a bit; you've earned a decent seat 🐏

Only just caught up with the sad news 😞. Sleep well fella. Your relentless and unstinting positivity re DCFC was an inspiration and a lesson to us all.
Just ask that Steve Bloomer fella to shuffle up a bit; you've earned a decent seat 🐏

Only just caught up with the sad news 😞. Sleep well fella. Your relentless and unstinting positivity re DCFC was an inspiration and a lesson to us all.
Just ask that Steve Bloomer fella to shuffle up a bit; you've earned a decent seat 🐏

That’s not a bad legacy.
”We should all be more B4.”
Stick that on a banner, cos it’s bloody true.
A bit of unwavering positivity goes a long way. 
This a real kick in the nuts. We all knew he had health problems based on his posts here, but I had no idea they were so serious. He was so positive and passionate about everything, even, it turns out, in the face of his own problems. Jesus, he had every reason to be down, more than most, but it seems absolutely nothing could bring him down. 
Just imagine a world where we were all a bit more B4. 

Everyone obviously has their own take on this but nothing I have seen of VAR makes me feel that it has actually improved the game overall. I totally understand the urge to try and get as many decisions right as possible and in the case of something like goal line technology (bar the odd very rare lapse) has been a really useful addition to the officials armoury because it is technically sound and is instant.
There is still so much ambiguity and controversy over a good number of VAR decisions though that you are left wondering what it has actually fixed - every week there seems to be a headline centred around something VAR did or didn't do. For me personally, even if it got 100% of decisions right, it still would be a backward step because standing around waiting for officials to look at endless replays to see if part of someone's heel might be offside is not a worthwhile trade off versus game flow and certainty.
My understanding is that VAR was originally intended to fix obvious injustices but it has just (IMHO) become a tedious, intrusive and forensic micro-examination of a sport that should be decided by a visceral sporting endeavour, not by cold science and endless analysis. The idea of everyone having to stand around waiting to see if a goal will be allowed by the VAR official is a hugely frustrating one for me. Plenty of people feel that it has brought largely positives but if we had the option to have it in league 1 tomorrow then I personally would vote for 'No'.
Don't get me wrong, it drives me up the wall when you see obvious injustices in League 1 matches where it is clear to most people in the stadium that the officials have just got it badly wrong but honestly, on balance, taking the rough with the smooth re decisions vs standing around (sometimes for several minutes) to see if the off-field officials can find some reason why a goal can't stand is not IMHO progress. Not in a game where momentum and excitement and spontaneity is one of the main attractions of the sport.

I totally agree that rule changes have contributed lots of additional frustration and confusion and some rules will never be agreed on by everyone. Re handball, I'm not convinced that the change of rules has made it fairer. Refs used to just have to ask themselves (perhaps over-simplified) "was it ball to hand or hand to ball". A pretty simple concept on the face of it and by no means flawless but in essence it asked, "was that deliberate". Anyone who has played football in defence can tell you that when someone smashes a ball at you from a few metres away then it is very hard to get out of the way and when you are trying to change direction to get a block in, it is incredibly hard to not have your arms out to balance yourself, particularly when you have a sudden change of direction and therefore weight distribution.
There has always been the counter argument that at a certain distance then it is reasonable to expect you to get your arm out of the way, but how do you judge that ? How far is reasonable vs power of shot? I don't think that making even more nuanced rules re body shape or whatever has particularly helped. My personal feeling is that handball calls based on intent will always rely on a good level of interpretation (over-reliance?) but as a counter to that, if you say any contact whatsoever with an arm is a penalty regardless of the situation (volleyed at you from point blank range) then you end up with some very harsh penalties and potential for attackers looking to just kick the ball at an arm. If you have a load of increasingly complex and forensic rules then you will need an increasingly complex and forensic tool to analyse the incidents which will take longer and involve more loss of flow and momentum and more standing around. It feels that in a way there is a decision to be made between a more technically correct but more analytical game and a more flawed but more spontaneous and better flowing game and I guess where you sit on that debate is a decision for the individual.

Everyone obviously has their own take on this but nothing I have seen of VAR makes me feel that it has actually improved the game overall. I totally understand the urge to try and get as many decisions right as possible and in the case of something like goal line technology (bar the odd very rare lapse) has been a really useful addition to the officials armoury because it is technically sound and is instant.
There is still so much ambiguity and controversy over a good number of VAR decisions though that you are left wondering what it has actually fixed - every week there seems to be a headline centred around something VAR did or didn't do. For me personally, even if it got 100% of decisions right, it still would be a backward step because standing around waiting for officials to look at endless replays to see if part of someone's heel might be offside is not a worthwhile trade off versus game flow and certainty.
My understanding is that VAR was originally intended to fix obvious injustices but it has just (IMHO) become a tedious, intrusive and forensic micro-examination of a sport that should be decided by a visceral sporting endeavour, not by cold science and endless analysis. The idea of everyone having to stand around waiting to see if a goal will be allowed by the VAR official is a hugely frustrating one for me. Plenty of people feel that it has brought largely positives but if we had the option to have it in league 1 tomorrow then I personally would vote for 'No'.
Don't get me wrong, it drives me up the wall when you see obvious injustices in League 1 matches where it is clear to most people in the stadium that the officials have just got it badly wrong but honestly, on balance, taking the rough with the smooth re decisions vs standing around (sometimes for several minutes) to see if the off-field officials can find some reason why a goal can't stand is not IMHO progress. Not in a game where momentum and excitement and spontaneity is one of the main attractions of the sport.

I totally agree that rule changes have contributed lots of additional frustration and confusion and some rules will never be agreed on by everyone. Re handball, I'm not convinced that the change of rules has made it fairer. Refs used to just have to ask themselves (perhaps over-simplified) "was it ball to hand or hand to ball". A pretty simple concept on the face of it and by no means flawless but in essence it asked, "was that deliberate". Anyone who has played football in defence can tell you that when someone smashes a ball at you from a few metres away then it is very hard to get out of the way and when you are trying to change direction to get a block in, it is incredibly hard to not have your arms out to balance yourself, particularly when you have a sudden change of direction and therefore weight distribution.
There has always been the counter argument that at a certain distance then it is reasonable to expect you to get your arm out of the way, but how do you judge that ? How far is reasonable vs power of shot? I don't think that making even more nuanced rules re body shape or whatever has particularly helped. My personal feeling is that handball calls based on intent will always rely on a good level of interpretation (over-reliance?) but as a counter to that, if you say any contact whatsoever with an arm is a penalty regardless of the situation (volleyed at you from point blank range) then you end up with some very harsh penalties and potential for attackers looking to just kick the ball at an arm. If you have a load of increasingly complex and forensic rules then you will need an increasingly complex and forensic tool to analyse the incidents which will take longer and involve more loss of flow and momentum and more standing around. It feels that in a way there is a decision to be made between a more technically correct but more analytical game and a more flawed but more spontaneous and better flowing game and I guess where you sit on that debate is a decision for the individual.

Aside from all the Rosenior vs Warne discourse (which is pretty boring), anyone else just really pleased that a top bloke who was nothing but brilliant with the fans seems to be doing really well in his career?

Cheers for that, it's always good to have an outside perspective. You did seem to have a collectively have a poor day at the office and I think for your guys it's just one of those performances that you have to just write off and get it out your system. Last night may have been rather one-sided but the margins seem really small in the majority of games and a slice of luck or a couple of players back can make a big difference to the mood. We've been moping around since a poor effort on Saturday and then we get a big lift like last night. Football eh ? 
We've had a few absolute stinkers recently and have had to do the classic 'Show a reaction' which we often do and then have a 'mare in the next one. It's just so inconsistent - we lost 3-1 at the weekend and win 4-0 tonight. Our problem so far has been following up on a win with another one but that just seems to be the same for a lot of teams in the division. It's frustrating because there's not a lot in it between the majority of teams (bar Portsmouth) and they are all taking points off each other. If you can just put any kind of run together then you can climb the table rapidly, but that remains our challenge.
See you at your place.