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Nailed it .

The clue as to what might happen was always in the title "INTERIM..." so there was always a plan to REVIEW and the Board have decided to appoint an alternative. Looks and sounds like logical and calculated stewardship to me not "...David Clowes playing Football Manager."

I guess it wouldn’t. Couldn’t think of a witty username so decided to abbreviate one of my favourite bits of Graham Richard’s’ commentary.

“Dig That One Out Of The Net Mark Crossley Not A Chance.”
Hopefully it makes more sense now ?

This. Exactly this. I haven’t commented at all on this but have been reading this thread every day since it started. I know the trials and tribulations we’ve been through and how this has affected us.
like NottsRam77 I thought I’d been dealing with it okay. Carrying on the day to day and all that. But hadn’t realized the extent it had actually affected me….until last night.
As the news broke the sense of relief was unbelievable for sure, but suddenly I found my eyes welling with tears. Genuine tears. Then hearing Ed Dawes on RD also in tears - live on air - it sent me completely over the edge into floods of them. 

Once I’d composed myself I allowed myself a quiet glass or two and raised a toast to David Clowes and our great club. 

So the great re-set has begun and with it a recalibration of our expectations. At this point I’m just happy to still have a club. And for it to be run properly. This whole episode has been a truly humbling experience for us all and one I do not wish to live through again. And one I wouldn’t wish on any fans of other clubs, in spite of some of the disgraceful attitudes from ‘followers’ of other clubs. 
So if we find ourselves in a situation where we are losing 3-0 at home to a team like Forest Green Rovers on a miserable rainy Tuesday night, I’m going to give my arm a pinch and remember that things could have been very different and we may not have actually been able to witness it. And then hold on to the hope that better days will return.
Because make no mistake - those better days will come.
UTR ????
 
 
 
 
 
 

What I really don’t understand is; why announce that “it’s all done bar the shouting, and it will definitely be done tomorrow”, if there is any chance it won’t be. Why make a rod for your own back? Why whip up expectations yet again? Why why why.
I know there’s another 8 hours of Thursday to go, but surely they would have announced something by now if it were ‘nailed on’.  
I work from home and it’s times like this I wish I was still in the office; at least I wouldn’t be able to spend so much time refreshing this thread and Twitter with the beady eye of my boss on me!! 

I think either Paul Simpson or Ian Evatt for me.

I'd argue it's as much his brother, Simon, that has the knack for spotting players.
Nige can build a team though. Derby got to the play-offs after him (but he did completely turn the squad around), Sheff Utd a double promotion to the Prem with mostly the same team that he built (I thought they were harsh to get rid of him after taking them from the relegation zone to the play offs), he got Burton into the Championship, took Mansfield from the edge of the L2 relegation zone to the play-off final in 6 months... not bad to have on your CV however you look at it!

Quick bit of research yields the following:
The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where DAVID CLOWES holds a current appointment equals £30m, a combined total current assets value of £536m with a total current liabilities of £137m and a total current net worth of £346m. My guess would be that while David is the front man, the new owners will effectively be the Clowes family as a whole.
For those already worrying that he / they have insufficient net worth to run a club like Derby, consider the relative wealth of Brentford owner Matthew Benham, a tiny fraction of the Clowes fortune. Consider too that Benham had to borrow £700k to fund the majority shareholding he took when he bought Brentford in 2012. Like Clowes, Benham too, is a lifelong fan of the club he has now established in the Premiership. Not all 'fan-owners' then are of Morris' ilk, so let's be balanced in our thinking. Some may say Benham is an outlier and an anomaly but the facts do not bear out this opinion. My view is rather that he simply adopted a model by which even clubs with modest fan bases can operate without losses AND enjoy success. For interest's sake, some net worth figures for a few Premiership club owners, correct as of 10/2021:
Brentford – Matthew Benham (£3m)
Norwich - Delia Smith and Michael Wynn-Jones (£23m)
Burnley – Mike Garlick (£62m)
Watford – Gino Pozzo (£93m)
Leeds – Andrea Radrizzani (£344m)
If Clowes is successful in his bid, then let's then give the man a chance to show that he intends to run the club in the way it could and should be run. There is absolutely no reason that DCFC can not break even within a few years and then turn a profit from then on. Look at the 30K +++ crowds that turned up towards the end of a post-Covid season with the team nigh on certain to be relegated. There are few clubs in the entire league that would top those numbers and the willingness of the fans to get behind the club, aligned to a measured and analytical approach to recruitment, can prove to be the cornerstones upon which a resurgent Derby County can be built. Our support was the absolute envy of the League last season, despite 3 years of ever gathering gloom and ill conceived hostility from outsiders who chose to hate before they thought. Let's not forget that. Equally, let's be respectful to and supportive of the players who ran through walls for us, even those who now choose move to pastures new. We should be, and I believe most are, grateful for what was a herculean effort from a team where a good few were earning a fraction of the wages they could command elsewhere and all played week in, week out under immense levels of pressure and uncertainty. They gave us all they had and IMO, they now owe us nothing.
Let's also look out for each other; I've tried to remain calm and upbeat throughout the last couple of years as have most, but the strain of the last few months has understandably stretched nerves to breaking point. A lot of us have expressed anger and lashed out and I'm one of them, but the truth is that lashing out at those around the process, or worse still, at other fans, serves literally no purpose. I should know better.
As we now look to the future then, akin to most fans, I suspect, I remain concerned that this may prove yet another false dawn, but this does have a rather different feel about it. We will know by this time next week whether the deal has legs, at which point we can hopefully once again begin to dream about a more positive future for the club, the fans and the wider community. In essence, the healing process can begin. Of course I am hugely biased in my view, but it's something I strongly believe; there is something quite unique and special about this club of ours, even in the darkest of times. They say that it's always darkest before the dawn and I'm sure I can see some narrow slithers of light ahead and this for the first time in several years. Perhaps a bright and beautiful new dawn will follow, perhaps something less than that, but let's try to be present, upbeat and supportive and not simply look to others. We have a huge role to play if we choose to accept it and these next few years could be some of the best in long while if we temper our expectations and rediscover the unity and passion we showed when times were hardest.

This is where any conversation should start and end.
The most important thing right now is saving this football club, if thats Clowes, Ashley, Appleby or even Kirchner, we should be extremely grateful.
Millions are being spent on a club that has little more than ourselves, the money it’s going to cost to purchase this club could potentially buy or even own a major stake in most Championship clubs.
It makes zero business sense buying this football club, none what so ever, so whoever it is that completes the purchase, we should be eternally grateful as we have been far too close to losing this club that means so much to us all. 
 

Ashley for me and he can come Binge drinking with me anytime 

Ashley’s bid trumps Appleby’s in my eyes! Owns all the assets, doesn’t take anything out of the club for 10 years, Club becomes one again! 

This is the important part of the article, definitely seems like he’s very serious if that’s legitimate - better than anything I expected! 

We all want a future for Derby County so I’ll make one last point and then let it be as I’m conscious of labouring my point and I appreciate how stressful/frustrating this process and the role of the admins has been for us fans so people are keen to apportion blame and rightly so in some cases.
The part of the EFL statement you’ve quoted still does nothing to prove that Quantuma are not involving the EFL as you and many other fans are claiming, it’s speculation again. Quantuma are not “hiding behind” NDAs, they are legally binding contracts, the legislation around data protection prevents them from sharing the name and data relating to any party exploring the purchase of the club unless that party (not Quantuma) gives consent. Quantuma would be breaking the law and subject to a fine and potential further punishment if they broke those agreements.
If we take what Trevor Birch (CEO of the EFL) has said in his letter to Derby fans groups, Quantuma have given the EFL contact information for the solicitors of the interested parties (something that must have been agreed and consent given for that information to be shared) and those parties have denied to engage with the EFL (again this is evidence of Quantuma engaging with the EFL, not the opposite). I’ve added the pic of that paragraph.
Q have far from covered themselves in glory through this process as I mentioned before, by all means they should be called out on other points, but this specific idea that they are not telling the EFL things just to be difficult is completely unfounded in my view and if anything it has been proven that they are talking to the EFL by the highest positioned member of that organisation and by the fact they communicated the info around CKs bid. 
Anyway, hopefully this is a moot point soon and the club is taken over or at the very least funded for the season pending a takeover and we can get back to on the pitch matters ? 
 

I had a terrible dream last night that we'd been in a worldwide pandemic, Russia was starting WWIII, fuel and energy prices had doubled, inflation and food prices had gone through the roof, NHS waiting times had hit 13 hours, England suffered their heaviest home defat for over 90 years, train drivers were going on strike, human rights laws were going to be scrapped, the economy was heading for recession, social housing was in a right state, we had a lying deceitful narcissistic scumbag for Prime minister and worst of all, Derby County were at risk of going under.
I was glad to wake up I tell you!

I still remember the day when Morris casually dropped out of the blue that the stadium was no longer a part of the club but owned by himself. 
At that point the alarm bells should have been well and truly ringing, don't think anyone really fully grasped the real import and magnitude of what happened on that day.
We should have moved to get him out of the club at that point. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. 

Tell that to all of the owners currently running their football club at a loss whilst their other businesses cover the hit.
Pretty much all of them have accrued some wealth through other businesses before buying a football club, for them it's not about getting rich, they're already rich!
Very few people buy a football club looking for a profit. That's why the old adage "the best way to become a millionaire is by being a billionaire and then buying a football club" exists in the first place.

Minus 15 won’t be down to the new owner at all. It will be down to MM like everything has. 
 
Why should a new owner pay circa £50-60 mil for something worth half that?
You wouldnt 

Can folks stop this idea that just because someone is incredible rich they should be happy to over-spend to save the club or to make sure we can start the next season on zero points.....people simply don't get to be incredibly rich by frittering money away unnecessarily. It's also part of the 'game' that investors play to buy something as cheaply as possible and turn a huge profit (look at the finance/crypto threads if you need proof for how many ordinary people are doing exactly that (though at a far smaller scale)).
I suggested previously (though probably over 1500 pages ago) that if (for example) Ashley buys us, he won't care too much about getting promoted in the short-term. It will be a long-term project with the aim of making us a sustainable PL team in the next 10-15 years. He's therefore going to pay the bare minimum that he can get away with.....I've used Ashley as an example, but I suspect the same applies to the majority of other possible owners with no current ties to the club. It simply doesn't make sense to chuck money at the club...
Kirchner's agreeement to pay what the EFL and creditors demanded made no sense for a club heading into League One - there simply isn't the value in the club without the ground attached....I really can't see anyone else being willing to match his deal. We either start next season in League One on -15 or we get liquidated and come back as a phoenix club in a year's time - I really can't see any alternative scenario that makes sense now CK has delayed so much and effectively chucked us in the creek without a paddle

Hated? If he saves derby at this point whether minus 15 or minus 30 ,he saves the club and it lives to fight another day ,
it’s easy to be Johnny big spuds and talk about paying enough to stop the points deductions, keep Rooney and players and buy new ones for a promotion tilt next season if you don’t actually have the money or have the money but can’t or won’t complete the purchase ,
people need to get real , that wrong un Morris has stuffed us and that idiot ck has filled some fans heads with pie in the sky fantasies 

Q should have stuck with the idea of asking for £5m deposit for PB status.

Man claims to have sent money. Money doesn't arrive.
Man claims money has been sent but the delay is anti money laundering check.
Money never does arrive.
Logically there are two options.
A, it was never sent.
B, it failed the anti money laundering check.
Whichever was the case, was that really someone we wanted owning our club?

All you say is true no one in there right mind wants to pay over the odds for anything though the club is in a s**** state 
Q keep saying we have potential buyers but no one including Ashley as shown them the colour of money i would take a -15 point penalty now if it means we survive liquidation,the longer this drags on the bigger the debt rises and the players payday est to be £1.5m is two weeks away.

One of the issues we have as supporters is Q are tasked with getting the best deal for the creditors  there is no one ensuring that whoever takes over the ownership our club will have the interests of the club at heart and be able to sustain us in the long term.
The bottom line is Derby County is a business however, we supporters have a lot more invested in Derby County than we do in our local Tescos, which is also a business.
There’s nothing we can do about the above just sit and hope for the right outcome.
This post is an excellent example of how to depress yourself????

How can it not be though. Unless it's literally a carbon-copy of the Kirchner deal, you're back to negotiating something for the Stadium/MSD, getting creditors to agree to a new amount/payment plan and so on.  And even then, purchasers will probably want to do their own due diligence, Quantuma/EFL will need to do theirs on the purchaser etc.  Anybody thinking somebody is going to swoop in, slap £40m on the table and have it done in an afternoon, is dreaming IMO.
And that's obviously the reason Quantuma gave Kirchner so many chances to complete - the time to start a new bid from near scratch are significantly longer than a few extra days to finish a near-complete deal.

Guys this is potentially a huge day for DCFC, please for one day can we not flood this thread with puns?
Some of us have to fit work in between doom scrolling!