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I don’t really know what to say as thank you doesn’t feel like nearly enough, but it’s all I’ve got.

Thank you so much David Clowes, I’ll never forget what you’ve done by saving the club we all love.

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3 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Don't turn on the players now. There is one man who is responsible for all this. Direct your anger and frustration at him.

Everyone is responsible for their own decisions though, yes it started because of one man, although there are plenty of other parties that made the situation so much worse than it needed to be!

But this, if true, no, this is on them and them alone, it’s not something they need to do.

If another club only wants you because they think they can get you on a free, how much do they really want you?

I’ve not really got a problem with players not wanting to stay after relegation, it’s still sad and it’s incredibly frustrating that it’s come to that, but it’s fair enough, if we get a decent enough fee for them.

For me the issue is trying to wriggle out of their contracts and go for nothing, thus denying the club a transfer fee when it so desperately needs it.

It even makes it much more difficult to sell them prior to a sale to get money to keep us going as who is going to buy them if they believe they can get them for free soon? It pushes us closer to the very trap door we’ve spent the last 9 months trying to avoid.

We’re asking everyone to get behind us to #SaveDerbyCounty and yet some of the very players who’ve been welcomed into the club, loved and even hero worshipped by the young fans and may even be players that the club has nurtured since they were very young or helped through terrible injuries are now making it more likely that will not be the case.

It’s horrible.

Of course you can blame them.

If it’s true then I’m so disgusted with anyone that would do that. It actually makes me even more concerned, as if it’s not concerning enough already, that it could end up with us being no more.

If players can just walk away on change of ownership then that’s assets we will no longer have and means the new owner is buying even less for their money, if others don’t think that will make them think twice about buying us then I don’t know what else to say.

It’s gone from feeling like it was nearly over and the possibility of having a clean slate, even getting to start on a level playing field with the rest of the league on 0 points, to utter despair and feeling like we might not even exist much longer yet again.

The whole thing is just soul destroying, it’s just been kick after kick for too long now.

1 minute ago, Ram1988 said:

CK is in Dubai, he's had all day to comment and he has chosen to stay silent. It says it all for me.

He’s closer than that, he’s in London.

3 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

With only snakes and no ladders

Or broken ladders that you can’t climb without falling anyway.

Ever feel like you’re in a real life game of snakes and ladders?

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7 minutes ago, GenBr said:

I didn't say he was at Hull.

I said he was a Forest fan and we can't stop him going anywhere if he wants to change clubs.

Not according to him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/derby-youngster-lee-buchanan-hails-19009878

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I grew up as a Derby fan and it does make it feel more special. It’s so real now that it’s only a couple of days away so it makes it even more important to get the win. A local derby against your rivals, you always want to play the best you can and get the best result.

Obviously none of us know how this will all play out yet and I’m as wary about it all as everyone else, but a couple of things on the negative murmurings of the last few days

1. Is Craig Hope, author of the Daily Mail story, still their North East Football Correspondent?

Some of his more recent tweets about us

2. I’m sure it was said early in the week that Ridsdale was on Talksport, and he wasn’t very happy that their takeover didn’t happen? I can’t help but think why would he be if ‘sources closes to Preston’ didn’t actually think that Kirchner has the money?

I’m trying to figure out whether they’re open or closed?

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BAWT is open and welcoming to all DCFC supporters…

…On that basis, it was decided BAWT would not be an open membership organization but would have a small, closed membership of 13 people, which would form The Committee.

Is it just me or is that incredibly contradictory?

6 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

This question may have been answered already but il ask it any...

Do football creditors, who have to get 100%, have to get all their money paid as part of exiting admin? Or can it be that the installments carry on being paid such as Bielik?

I’d like to know this too, I imagine it would be the latter, but not sure.

Just now, RipleyRich said:

At the risk of being shot down again, I think its simpler than that.

The debt is the same regardless of division. The amount required to satisfy EFL and Legal obligations is the same regardless of division.

All that realistically changes is the bidders projected payback.

As the Quantuma statement says, they are still evaluating bids and continuing negotiations to ensure a bid complies with EFL and Legal requirements. That says to me that at present they dont have, or haven't established whether they have a bid that does that.

No the debt doesn’t change, but the bidders may consider our worth as a club does dependent upon the League.

I’ve been wondering whether the League we end up in next season determines which is the best bid.

As an example, if there are two bidders.

A’s offer is £30m regardless of the league.

B’s offer is £20m if we get relegated and £40m if we don’t.

If that were the case Quantuma couldn’t accept A’s bid whilst knowing we could still stay up and if we do then B’s offer is the better one.

If they make A the preferred bidder and we stay up then the creditors miss out on £10m, if they make B the preferred bidder and we go down then, again, that would be £10m the creditors don’t get.

Unless they could persuade A to up their offer if we stay up to match B’s, or B to up their offer if we go down to match A’s then they’d not be able to choose which is best until they know which is best.

It’s probably too simplistic an example, and much more complicated in reality, but could potentially explain what seems like a constant wait to announce the preferred bidder.

1 minute ago, davenportram said:

They’re idiots - £40m gate receipts?

Big crowd ?

This situation is just completely maddening, it’s the first thing I think about, it’s the last thing I think about, and it’s there the whole time in between for good measure. I’m sure I’m only one of many people feeling this way.

I saw this tweet and thought it was interesting and a good idea.

I’ve looked myself on street view, there’s actually 2 billboards (if they’re still there) and they both face EFL House one says ‘ClearChannel’ one says ‘primesight’.

I think tomorrow one thing we could do is look to find out how much it would cost to advertise on them both and crowdfund it? Make it crystal clear we’re not going away quietly and they can’t ignore us as it’s right in front of them.

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Ugh! 2 more mistakes!! You're correct on both

Sorry ?

I thought it was best to check as it means we wouldn’t have been punished in either of the years Boro and Wycombe are claiming they were disadvantaged for.

44 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

FYI, here's a little table of the teams who suffered P&S points deductions.

Inconsistencies throughout.

• Birmingham the most harshly treated
• Delay in the season Sheff Weds got their penalty
• EFL's lateness in charging Derby for failed periods

Just wondering a couple of things, would a failure in 14/15-16/17 definitely have been expected in 18/19 as opposed to 17/18, the season following the failure? Also, I didn’t think there was a 3 year period for 17/18-19/20? Because of Covid wasn’t it changed to 17/18-20/21 a 4 year period, with the average of years 19/20 and 20/21?

5 minutes ago, Maharan said:

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but to me it reads like coming out of admin might have to be via a restructuring rather than a CVA. That might incur another points deduction 

I think it’s the Wycombe and Boro (as an aside, where do they get the other o from, seeing as they’re always quick to point out it’s Middlesbrough, not Middlesborough??) claims having the potential to be football creditors, and the EFL’s complete failure to rule on this, even though it is their rules we have to follow, that are causing this line of questioning.

12 minutes ago, jono said:

This only means that the EFL order compensation not Gibsons fantasy claim that would have to go through the EFL anyway 

3 minutes ago, San Fran Van Rams said:

 

92           Decisions

92.1        The Disciplinary Commission may at any time make a decision, and may make more than one decision at different times on different aspects of the matters to be determined.

92.2        A decision may:

92.2.1    order a party to do or refrain from doing anything;

92.2.2    order a specific performance;

92.2.3    make a declaration on any matter to be determined;

92.2.4    issue a reprimand or warning as to the future conduct of a party;

92.2.5    order the payment of compensation to The League, any Club, any other club, Player or other person;

 

Yes but the decision to require Derby to pay compensation to MFC should have been made by the DC at the time of the trial and not brought retrospectively by MFC. 

It’s like they’ve opened the regulations, searched for the word compensation, and run with it.

Unless there’s another rule 92.2.5 somewhere and I quoted the wrong one? But I found that one and it seemed to fit what with mentioning paying compensation.

4 minutes ago, jono said:

What is in regulation 92.2.5 I wonder ? 

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/section-8-investigations-and-disciplinary-proceedings/

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92.2.5    order the payment of compensation to The League, any Club, any other club, Player or other person;

May 2017 - Steve Gibson

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We should have more resource going into next season than any other club.

There can be no other objective – we want to smash the league next year. We want to go up next year as champions.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/15284615.steve-gibson-says-middlesbrough-will-looking-smash-championship/

They finished 5th, one place and one point above us with the same goal difference.

Wolves: +23 points +21 goal difference

Cardiff: +14 points +8 goal difference

Fulham: +12 points +11 goal difference

Villa: +7 points +8 goal difference

all finished above them.

If he’s claiming that they had ‘more resource’ going into that season than any other club, how did they finish 5th, so far behind the top 4?

Would that be because it’s not all about how much ‘resource’ you have?

If so, how can they so confidently state:

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In simple terms so far as MFC is concerned, had Derby County not cheated, MFC would have been in the play-offs. However, Derby County did cheat and, as a result, MFC lost the opportunities that arise as result of that.

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-Derby-county

about the following season? They have no idea how an alternative season would have played out, we could have spent far less and performed far better, it’s complete conjecture.

1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

From that tweet I just presume Nixon listened to Dawes/Couhig the heavyweight interview that will no doubt become a film classic in years to come.

I think he might be referring to the Q&A style statements from both the EFL and Boro. Where they weren’t actually questions asked of them, they ridiculously asked themselves the questions and then answered them.

2 minutes ago, SBW said:

Arbitration, then sell assets to recover fees and cut costs so the season can be survived.  

If as people suggest, neither have a claim, Boro and Wycombe get nothing, and the new owner takes over in the summer.  

 

L1 and a football club is better than fighting to stay up and no club. 

With the derisory offers that are being made how do we make enough to cover the costs and have enough players to complete the season? Don’t forget this isn’t just being able to field a team for a few games, we have almost half a season to play and we have already had a lot of young players in the team and on the bench this season.

How many players can we sell before we’re into having to field some very young players? There has to be consideration of the fact that it’s an awful lot of games for them to have to cover, at a much higher intensity, when they are used to playing 20 something games a season in the youth leagues.

That’s before the fact that once players are sold we become even less attractive to buy, as no one will cover the debts if we have no assets, if the bidders go away due to this we’re done for anyway.

1 minute ago, Leeds Ram said:

The problem is if we need financing to plug the hole until the end of the season then apart from a loan from somewhere adding further debt obligations onto the club making us even more unpalatable for a buyer then what choice do we have apart from selling off the assets? 

I don’t know, and that’s the kicker.

The EFL have now put it on record that we have until the 1st of February to prove we have enough money to see out the season. It’s being reported that this amount is at least £5m, how do they think them publicly stating that they will kick us out helps us to raise the money needed? Like we weren’t being low-balled enough already on bids.

If we can’t complete the season because of money, we raise the money and then can’t complete the season because we don’t have enough players, what do we do?

They have to hold out.

£450k is less than 10% of what we are reported to need to get us to the end of the season, and that is only to then, no further, and Louie is one of our biggest assets, on a long contract compared to most of our other players, he will also not be on large wages at this stage of his career.

Sell him now, for that price and we have absolutely no way of raising enough to get us to end the of the season.

If one of our biggest assets can only make us less than 10% of what we need, how do we make the other 90% AND have enough players to complete the season?

We lose one of our biggest assets and it lowers the value any buyer would be willing to pay to take us out of administration if the other issues can eventually be sorted out.