G STAR RAM

1 hour ago, sage said:

I see you are still going on with this.

We had the highest wage budget the previous season and have expanded the squad since. 

DC said at the start of the season we could pay fees. It was later stated we instead chose to increase our wage budget meaning we no longer had money left for fees.

Both facts.

Goodbye.

 

You stated as fact that we had the biggest wage budget this year.

Point me in the ddirection of where you got ours and other clubs wages information from and I'll gladly give you an apology.

On 05/05/2024 at 12:18, 1of4 said:

 I see dawnie is back with his childish trolling, the gumps must be starting to feel more confident of avoiding relegation.

To be fair to @Red_Dawnhe did explain that he had other issues in his life and realised they were more important than football. It appears they just happened to coincide with Forest being in danger of relegation and I, for one, am very glad these other issues have dropped away just in time for him to celebrate the red dogs incredible 17th place finish.

35 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

Perhaps but I think it’s hardly condescending to think you don’t need to know all 24 clubs wage bills to have an idea of where we’d be when we have last years wages as a starting point. 
 

I think people flying the ‘we can’t possibly know until the financial reports come out’ are those that are having people on a bit 😂

Its condescending to tell people they are making erroneous comments, without actually knowing the facts yourself, simple as that.

Clearly we will be up there with the wage bill but to state as fact that it is the highest is having people on because the information is not available on the public domain for either ourselves or the other teams in the league.

4 hours ago, TigerTedd said:

Side note: dishwater or ditchwater?

Dishwater.

1 hour ago, Gritstone Ram said:

If it wasn’t for a 21 point deduction we wouldn’t have gone down either.

We would have gone down the season before if it were not for points deductions.

8 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

Because it adds context, doesn't it? Typically the teams with the highest wage bills are better equipped for success.

No idea. If a large chunk of our wage bill was on things like directors and groundstaff, I'd fail to see how that helps Warne?

11 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

What we know as fact is that Derby County spent £17.2m on wages as a whole in the first season out of administration, our first in League One, which was more than Sunderland during their promotion season from League One. We also know the club didn't spend a penny on transfer fees and only committed to relatively short-term deals. The EFL restrictions imposed restricted our approach in the market but ultimately didn't stop us being competitive on wages, hence why we largely went after Championship players out of contract. I suspect that this season's overall wage bill will be over £20m as a whole - more than Ipswich's when promoted. They did spend £8m on transfer fees though.

My opinion on Warne hasn't been the greatest, I've acknowledged that he's perhaps the best tactical manager that we've had in my living memory, but as a technical coach it's just not his approach. He can take technical footballers and make them smarter, more impactful players. I don't think he can improve a player's technical ability, as long as we can nail recruitment and sign technical footballers who need help bringing on tactically then Warne can absolutely succeed at the next level. He wasn't afforded the opportunity at Rotherham, look at the accounts: he had half the budget of the second closest team and a quarter of the league average. It's hard to sign technical footballers at that sort of level, but in hindsight the recruitment was pretty good and the club made a profit out of transfers. 

The Championship with Derby is a different beast, albeit we go into it with an altered mindset after the last few years, so he won't be expected to be competing at the top end right away. Nevertheless, it's a massive rebuild and the scale of the challenge isn't lost on most of us. We are going to have to do very well not to be fighting for our lives at the bottom end of the table and will go into the season as one of the favourites for the drop.

Not sure of the relevance of the total wage bill of the club to how well Warne has done?

48 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

I think based on the wage bill from last season and the incoming players in the summer (where I can’t see anything other than the wage bill increasing) it’s not a massive jump to assume it’s top 1 or 2. It might not be a known fact but to suggest it isn’t likely is at odds with common sense. 

Maybe he should state that then rather than telling other posters that he is correcting their inaccuracies?

When he is armed with everyone's accounts from this year he can state with confidence that we had the highest wage bill, until that point it is guesswork and condescending to other posters accusing of them of posting falsehoods.

58 minutes ago, sage said:

I'm not criticising Warne. I'm just suggesting that talk of a shoestring budget is nonsense. 

Also you said we couldn't pay fees. That is wrong. We couldnt pay million pound fees but we could pay fees. We eventually did pay fees.

I'm not criticising Warne. I'm just correcting 2 factual errors. 

No you're not.

You have zero evidence to back up your wage bill claim. 

If you do please post it up and I will gladly apologise.

14 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

Oh come on, we wasn’t able to pay a fee for any players! You can’t tell me we were the big spenders

Nor can he tell you we had the highest wage budget. He is stating things for which the facts are not available yet seems to be trying to pass them off as fact.

2 hours ago, Henrycav81 said:

Didn’t Stephen warnock say something about it being toxic

No idea to be honest 

4 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

If you ever get the opportunity to chat to someone who was around the team at the time, ask them what sort of “leader” Keogh was during Nigel Pearson’s time at the club.

Well you obviously have, so why not tell us who it was and what was said?

6 hours ago, angieram said:

The telling thing for me is when one of the current players said that apart from a one-night Christmas party, that the trip to Vegas is the first time the players have really socialised together all season because they have all been focused on getting promotion.

That certainly wasn't the case in the Keogh era, and it certainly was him at the centre of some of the in-season does, leading the singing and  sounding absolutely the worse for wear. 

(Some of the WAGS are a bit indiscreet when it comes to sharing things on their insta pages.)

You can think what you want, @G STAR RAM, but I know what I've seen and also heard.

Not disputing anything that you've seen or heard but don't there again I don't see anything that you have described there that would make it sound like a toxic environment. 

If I worked in a toxic environment I certainly wouldn't be socialising with my colleagues outside of work?

3 hours ago, angieram said:

Confirmed from those who are/were in and around players pre and post-match at that time, there was a definite in-crowd, with a cruel streak towards those who didn't "fit".

Most thought it was Keogh's way, or the highway. 

Improvement in team morale and togetherness was apparent after he left, although some of this grew out of the tough times we found ourselves in by then. 

Time may have clouded my judgement but I seem to remember the 13/14 team, of which Keogh was captain, as being one of the most tight knit groups we had in a while.

Maybe it was the mercenaries brought in by our cheque waving Chairman that caused the toxicity rather than Keogh?

Just an alternative suggestion.

3 hours ago, sage said:

I'm aware of one player who left around 2017 who described the place as 'toxic'

Which player was it? Surely 7 years down the line, naming them won't be an issue?

Nope, it's not even the most exciting league in this country.

Obviously, it has the best quality players but from what I see of it, it really is as dull as dishwater, especially since the introduction of VAR.

6 hours ago, Crewton said:

I think the Keogh clique closed ranks and he couldn't integrate or settle. He did a good job with a small team in La Liga for several seasons, so he wasn't dreadful in Spain.

Never seen him play in Spain so can't comment, plus I imagine the game in Spain is quite different to The Championship. 

Nick Blackman was good at Reading, doesn't change the fact he was awful he!

4 minutes ago, richinspain said:

He is more or less. He's originally from the town where I live. I've chatted with him via WhatsApp quite often when he first signed for us. I've only actually met him once, just before the relegation season and we were desperate for players. He said that he had spoken to McClarren about going back if needed, but was told that we weren't allowed to sign him. I don't know if that was true or if he had been fobbed off. Whatever people think of him as a player, and I honestly don't think that he was as bad as some make out (I remember him being selected as MOTM on here a couple of times), but he is a very down to earth person who I think had a lot of bad luck with us. It would have helped if he had remembered his insoles mind.

From memory he had 1 half decent game.

May have been reasons behind it but he was completely and utterly dreadful.

To be fair to Osman he didn't say at which end 😂

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

What did Clattenburg expect from this role. I don't know anyone who thinks a club employing an ex ref to help them would end well.

The Greek does this kind of stuff with Olympiakos and thinks he can rig the game over here.

TBF, he;s just been fined 28,000 euros for abusing a ref over there so he probably thought it would be better to employ some fecker else to do it over here.

 

Money. 

10 hours ago, BOB BIGGS said:

Blimey, memories for sure. I travelled down from Northumberland for that one. Haven’t been back since😎

To Northumberland?

How are you going to explain that one to the wife?

Doubt you'll get away with saying you popped out to get some milk.

8 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

You take things to literally.  

You've just called Gibson a pube headed p**** and wished nothing but misfortune.  So if it was shown that his transfer of losses to his haulage company was in breach of regs and he went to court and lost, you'd like the slate wiped clean, no points deduction and we just crack on. 

I don't want to see non footballing related matters affecting where teams finish in the league.

I might make an exception for Gibson and Couhig.

It's just another thing ruining football.

In my first 35 years of watching football I think I can remember one incident of a points deduction where it didn't relate to on the field matters (Swindon).

These days it's 4 or 5 a season. 

Look at the situation with Everton and Forest. 4 games left and not knowing if there will be more points deducted. Absolutely ridiculous.

It's about time the game went back to how it used to be, a game where the fans at matches were the ones that counted.

The ultimate aim should be to strive to be in the Premier League, right now I can't think of anywhere I'd less rather be.

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

if you can have both , why not.

Because I want football sorted on football pitches, not in board rooms and courts.

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Our old pal Gibson's had a Q&A and said that he hopes that Forest and Sheffield Utd  come down because they have financial challenges according to their supporters.  Oh dear FFP complaint incoming.

 

 

Hate to say it and it makes me feel sick, I'd back Forest over that pub headed p****.

I wish nothing but misfortune on him and his club.

Given that the average tenure of an EFL manager is about 18 months, I thought Clowes was mad giving Warne a 4 year contract to start, although I guess that is what it took to entice him away from Rotherham, think he would be even madder to extend his contract now given that we are moving up a level.