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I don't believe his retirement talk for a second. Knowing his poor mental health he knows he needs boxing in his life in some capacity. 
I think he knows that AJ and Usyk need to beat him as much as he needs to beat them to prove himself. 
He'll say he doesn't want the fight and they'll call him out. He'll say he's not been in the gym for x months and they'll call him out. Promoters will push him for one last fight. And then he'll come back claiming to be out of shape and not interested. It's classic Fury making sure he's in control. He came back for Wilder not AJ remember. And that was about bargaining power. AJ losing twice has made him #1. But there's no chance he retires if AJ beats Usyk. Slim chance if Usyk wins. But everything he's said and done to undermine AJ was not out of spite but to make sure he can control the when/where/how much. 
In regards to HW of times gone by. I think it's like the Pele v Messi thing. It was a different game back then. Defenders were different, rules were different, sports science was different. I have no doubt Pele would be way ahead of Messi if the both played back then. But I think Pele would find it harder going now playing. As athletes we've built on their progress. We've learned from their years. The game has developed. 
And I think that's the same for boxing. I think if you lift many of the old greats into today that they'd find it harder. The game has changed. I dunno, I just think like any sport there's so much more for athletes to draw from now. F1 drivers in these modern machines, footballers so finely tuned etc etc. 
I do think Klitscko (both actually) are deserved legends. But I look at their record for stand out wins and there's not a great deal. I think AJ has probably taken the most risks at every stage of his career (its absurd anyone questions his record)
Klitschko was very much The Man when Fury beat him. Any earlier and it wouldn't have been prime Fury. Same as Lewis v Tyson. The timing suited Lewis more than Tyson. As did his fight with Holyfield. It was Holyfield's decline from that point. Holyfield at 6ft 2" does he beat Tyson Fury? 
It's all too complex imo to figure out who's the best ever. 
Timing and styles make fights. Wlad is more legendary in the sport than Vitali yet Vitali never had the struggles of Wlad. He was never knocked down and was forced to retire in his losses (Lewis raking his cuts was one). Vitali also made short work of Corrie Sanders after Sanders beat Wlad. But Wlad is widely considered the better of the two. 
It's very rare boxers meet while a group of them is in their prime. But this current generation is similarly aged and very competitive. They came in towards the end of Klitschko's reign and there are good bunch of them now all capable of beating each other. Ultimately 2 of them beat Klitschko. 
Would they beat Lewis? I dunno. Lewis was immense. But the best of this generation will be able to stand alongside Lewis and Mike Tyson hopefully without people saying they had it easy. 
The HW division is very competitive. 

What a ludicrous comment…..

For me, YPOTY is not about the best player under a certain age, but is about development. Bird has been great, but has been around the first team for a while so I've instead voted for Cashin.
For POTY I've voted Davies, but that seems less controversial.
As an aside, thinking about this reminded me of a few years ago when the YPOTY was won by Tom Ince, yet POTY was won by Will Hughes, who was younger!

Davies and Cashin for me

I don't look at Bird as a 'Young Player' anymore.  I know he is only 22 this year but in his 4th season in first team, i consider him a relative veteran.  He would be in my top 3 for Player of the Season but Cashin has done so well since he was brought in I feel he has earned the award.
 

Davies and Cashin for me

You too make some valid points and looking at the responses i think most agree with you about Bird.  I think he has had a very good season but with about 100 first team appearances i just don't see him as as young player contender any more, more in line for the main award.

Young Player of the season does not have to come from the 1st team though.  Often in the past it has been an academy player who has won the award, maybe on the fringes of the first team squad.  I think the fact that Cashin was due to be a 1st team squad player then was told he couldn't play, bided his time in under 23's playing consistently well and then when called upon has been magnificent for a kid of his age.  I know i sound like his agent but i believe he thoroughly deserves the accolade.

I don't look at Bird as a 'Young Player' anymore.  I know he is only 22 this year but in his 4th season in first team, i consider him a relative veteran.  He would be in my top 3 for Player of the Season but Cashin has done so well since he was brought in I feel he has earned the award.
 

its over a week away

Young Player of the season does not have to come from the 1st team though.  Often in the past it has been an academy player who has won the award, maybe on the fringes of the first team squad.  I think the fact that Cashin was due to be a 1st team squad player then was told he couldn't play, bided his time in under 23's playing consistently well and then when called upon has been magnificent for a kid of his age.  I know i sound like his agent but i believe he thoroughly deserves the accolade.

All about opinions, some will agree and some disagree. Can't state as a matter of fact that Bird deserves YPOY.....

Davies (obviously) and Cashin. Cashin has made a consistently high level of performance throughout his time in the team. I look on Bird as a more experienced player now who would have been in contention for Player of the Season if it were not for Davies.
 

I don't look at Bird as a 'Young Player' anymore.  I know he is only 22 this year but in his 4th season in first team, i consider him a relative veteran.  He would be in my top 3 for Player of the Season but Cashin has done so well since he was brought in I feel he has earned the award.
 

I don't look at Bird as a 'Young Player' anymore.  I know he is only 22 this year but in his 4th season in first team, i consider him a relative veteran.  He would be in my top 3 for Player of the Season but Cashin has done so well since he was brought in I feel he has earned the award.
 

I don't look at Bird as a 'Young Player' anymore.  I know he is only 22 this year but in his 4th season in first team, i consider him a relative veteran.  He would be in my top 3 for Player of the Season but Cashin has done so well since he was brought in I feel he has earned the award.
 

Managed to get 3 tickets now ?

FTFY

Showing a few left now, good luck

Sold out in 6 minutes online!

The Butler got away with it.
 
 

I'm sorry to bang on about this as it's my third time mentioning it, but Top Boy is ducking brilliant.
We watched the last episode last night and that one episode was as good, or better, as any episode in Gomorrah.
I was worried that Top Boy wouldn't be as good as Top Boy Summerhouse when Netflix took over the production.
Well, it just got better and better. Whether that was because it got more violent as the characters developed or because the introduction of one of the scariest characters from Liverpool entered the fray, I'm not really sure. And btw, that character looked a lot like Ginny from Gomorrah and I wonder if that was intentional.
The acting was truly outstanding. 
Dialogue can be mumbly and I had to look up a lot of the urban slang as I'm an old fart, but seriously guys, it's like a UK Gomorrah.
So in case you didn't see my early post.
Watch Top Boy Summerhouse series 1 & 2 first and then go onto to Top Boy series 1 and 2 because they were made 10 years later and Netflix didn't want to confuse people do renamed the original Top Boy, Top Boy Summerhouse and then promptly confused every ducker. 
All are on Netflix.
I just gave it 10/10 on IMDb and I almost never do that.

I stuck with ZeroZeroZero, it was okay but not in the same league as Gomorrah sadly.  Currently enjoying TopBoy from the beginning as i never saw any of it.  I am quite impressed so far.

Loved this!