IslandExile

I share your fears.
It's going to take the death of a big club to shake up the football authorities......I just didn't think it would be our club.
I am seriously very worried.
We need an owner in place and soon. If Mel meant all those things he said, that he wouldn't sell the club short and that by putting it into admin he intended that it would facilitate the sale.... There's one more item needed to enable an acquisition: clear the HMRC debt.
Ok two: include the ground in any deal.

Mel, it happened under your watch, just pay the debt to HMRC.
This club has to survive.

I can imagine the HMRC not wanting to set a precedent by accepting less than they're owed.
Similarly, I can understand that with the current level of debt to HMRC and MSD, buyers are put off the cost of a deal for what will be a League One club next season. That's even if Mel/MSD were to include the ground in any deal.
Therefore, a fire sale in January is starting to look more than just an inevitability but rather it is becoming more of a necessity.
Scavenger clubs will take advantage of the situation but we need the best prices possible in order to reduce the debts to such an extent that the numbers look better to any potential buyer.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I share your fears.
It's going to take the death of a big club to shake up the football authorities......I just didn't think it would be our club.
I am seriously very worried.
We need an owner in place and soon. If Mel meant all those things he said, that he wouldn't sell the club short and that by putting it into admin he intended that it would facilitate the sale.... There's one more item needed to enable an acquisition: clear the HMRC debt.
Ok two: include the ground in any deal.

I can imagine the HMRC not wanting to set a precedent by accepting less than they're owed.
Similarly, I can understand that with the current level of debt to HMRC and MSD, buyers are put off the cost of a deal for what will be a League One club next season. That's even if Mel/MSD were to include the ground in any deal.
Therefore, a fire sale in January is starting to look more than just an inevitability but rather it is becoming more of a necessity.
Scavenger clubs will take advantage of the situation but we need the best prices possible in order to reduce the debts to such an extent that the numbers look better to any potential buyer.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Mel, it happened under your watch, just pay the debt to HMRC.
This club has to survive.

Mel, it happened under your watch, just pay the debt to HMRC.
This club has to survive.

Not fully sure what the protocol is, but noticed no one else started a new matchday thread after the QPR loss. So I thought I'd start my first one and see if I can be a lucky charm.
I hope I can go on a long run creating these threads, starting with a trip down to Bristol to play the City's second team.
3pm on Saturday (a kick off time that should please all the ones who moan about matches getting moved for the telly).
Will Lawrence continue his fine form? Will that guy who knows more about Derby's accounting policy than anyone else in the entire world be fizzing by full time? Will we still be in with a shout of survival at 5pm on Saturday?
COYR.

Thank you Angie - who would have thought a typo whilst marshalling troops to school would cause such a kerfuffle!!

I think my name and previous posts perhaps support that I am a Derby fan - being called a Notts Forest fan is far more insulting than assuming my gender and you havent said sorry for that bit! 

Just very easy to make mistakes and, on here, you only get 15 minutes to correct them ?

Changed it to “they”. And in my defence the other day I assumed Charlotte Ram was a lady called Charlotte. Turns out they are in fact based in a place called Charlotte. Oh dear.

Fair comment. And fair assumption . Sorry.

Here you go. 

Just read (yet another pessimistic) Matt Slater article in the Athletic. From his sources and I do think he’s genuine, the view from outside Derby within football, and from agents, insolvency experts, administrator, lawyers, brokers - most people he has spoken to think liquidation is a distinct possibility as the debts are just too high. He has taken this view from the start and to be honest, the things he cited in his latest article to justify his argument - the companies house statement of affairs -for the most part weren’t new news and don’t make our position more precarious.
But while I don’t share his pessimism, his article highlights the situation. We’re relying on someone seriously wealthy who potentially is prepared to pay over the odds because they can see long term potential and are prepared to risk losing money to fulfill an ambition of owning a football club.
 
We have posters saying they are not comfortable about how close Kirchner is to Rooney and his people and concerned that Rooney may have brought them in thus making him almost bulletproof in the job. We have people concerned at Rush/Appleby being involved again (even though they won’t - their in the game of bringing bidders to the table they won’t be around post acquisition). Quite simply we don’t have a bloody choice. There’s 4 at the moment who is to say the other 3 won’t walk away, or god forbid all 4. Quite simply we don’t have a bloody choice who we get, we should accept whoever we get from these 4 credible bidders with open arms because it will mean the club is saved whatever happens. I think I’ve been swept up by the confidence of the administrators, this remains a tricky situation.
On a more positive note, in the comments on Matt Slater’s article Matt also reveals he’s recently spoken to an insolvency expert who thinks the administrator might have a convincing argument to persuade HMRC to accept 25p in the pound (the minimum EFL requirement) on the basis that with football creditors needing to be paid, if the company (DCFCs 6 companies or whatever) don’t have the assets to settle the debt HMRC can’t compel a new owner to settle it. He’s the only person to argue this though. Additionally his sources think Wycombe and Boro don’t have much of a case against us, they’d be better off going after the EFL for not enforcing their rules properly. Therefore their claims are more of an annoyance rather than a legitimate concern threatening a deal.
We wait and see. Im an optimist and therefore remain hopeful but we should be grateful for whoever takes a punt on us because we’re not in a position to pick and choose.

Maybe its the difference between being a manager instead of a coach that appeals to him. Most modern day 'managers' are in reality coaches with a Sporting Director/Director of Football being in charge of recruitment/retention of players - that's certainly the pattern at top clubs & the reality is managers are easily disposable in the hunt for short term success. 
By contrast, old style 'managers' like Clough, Shankly, Revie etc actually built clubs from the ground up & consequently had more control over their work places as well as increased job protection (although the results clearly helped). To your point, Derby are clearly an absolute mess but the club is both big enough to provide a platform for a lengthy future Premiership stint & is also close to Rooney's North West heartlands. Therefore he leverages his connections to build the playing infrastructure & give him the best possible chance for success. Quite telling Fergie's advice to him was to primarily find a chairman he could work with rather than anything else - I think this project has been ongoing for most of 2021 if rumours are to be believed.
As to points made elsewhere about the suitability of a manager choosing the owners & being 'unsackable' - there will be a base level above which Rooney will have to deliver & an ambitious 3-5 year target. Given the costs involved, its fair to assume Kirchner & co won't just be buying Derby as Rooney's plaything. If he shows himself out of his depth (increasingly unlikely given the experience he is gaining) then they would unquestionably move him on.

He obviously reads this site. 
 
Quick answer 

None of that. Just responded to a question about whether he'd read the Sun article "sorry, I don't read newspapers" and another tweet about being excited to see Rory McIlroy at some golf tournament. Very bland, which is probably wise.

Nah, he can tackle....

Fair comment but cut some slack..... After the past couple of years and the current situation, we need to feel good about something.
Youngsters breaking through is always a positive, even at the best of times, but right now, it's just about all we have.

Threat every time they broke forward.
We have Lawrence having to do it all himself and an all too brief cameo from Ebosele.

Great to see the Punjabi Rams awarded with the Fans for Diversity Award tonight at the FSA. ????
 

He's a ball winner, a very composed one at that.
Alongside Louie Watson, the passer, and Festy Ebosele, the runner, that's a great looking - and balanced - midfield emerging for the next decade as we make our way up from League One to Premier League glory.

Fair comment but cut some slack..... After the past couple of years and the current situation, we need to feel good about something.
Youngsters breaking through is always a positive, even at the best of times, but right now, it's just about all we have.