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8 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said:

We have gone down to League 1 people say the club isn’t worth what the asking price is for the stadium. Why doesn’t  CK agree to rent the stadium off MM for 1 season and if we go back up then may be the clubs value has increased and a deal could be reached. If we don’t go up MM needs to cut his losses

It would be financial suicide for Kirchner. Mel will hold all the cards. Currently they’re both at an impasse because they’re on an equal footing. If Kirchner buys the club with Mel as owner. Mel will always hold the Ace. He could have a say in everything we do. 

16 minutes ago, SBW said:

There's no way on this planet Notts Police agree to having Derby play at Meadow Lane, no chance on earth.  

I find it odd people would also even want to play in Nottingham? 

If it's a case of club or no club, Chesterfield is the best choice.  I know attendance isn't ideal, but needs must, the situation isn't based on things being ideal anyway... 

Chesterfield are a community owned club too, so i'd suspect they'd be more than happy for the extra income. 

FGS Chesterfield is closer to Sheffield than it is Derby. 

To be fair playing at Forest is probably the easiest solution from a practicality point of view. 
We could clash with Notts county as their average attendance is about 6000 whereas derby and Forest would be too much on the same day and it’s very difficult to arrange 3 teams not to play at home on the same day. 
attendance would be fine and it’s the closest to us. 
Unfortunately, it means sharing with our biggest rivals but I’m not going to lie I’d much prefer to play in Nottingham than Stoke or Leicester.
 

9 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Notts county if transportation is put on otherwise I wouldn’t be going 

Anywhere else and we wouldn’t be able to pay off the debts would we 

if transport it put on?! There already is it’s called public transport. 

Thinking outside of the box, we permanently ground share with Burton and expand their stadium. Provided we both own it. Just remove Mel from the whole situation. Maybe have to share with someone else in the meantime 

Surely Notts counties ground is the best option. Might not get everyone in but I can’t imagine 20000+ fans going to Stoke or Leicester either 

A win for us today and a loss for reading would make things interesting…

6 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

After his first attempt to buy Derby and the fact he seemingly can’t afford the ground and either can’t afford or isn’t prepared to pay enough for the 15 points to be avoided. I suspect 1 of 2 things will happen. Firstly, the EFL will refuse ( correctly) to apply the minus 15 points this season and he will walk away having basked in his 15 mins of fame, or. EFL do agree to apply the 15 points this year and MA swoops in and buys the club and ground. Either way I would be shocked if he ever ends up being the owner of DCFC 

If we are hit by 15 points it would be a disgrace. The rules are out dated and not fit for purpose. The idea of applying a 15 point deduction was to discourage owners from putting clubs into admin, clearing the debts and continuing to own the club. That’s not the situation, we’d be taken over by someone completely independent of Mel. The EFL should be as accommodating as possible to a new investor. 
The rule actually allows for this as it doesn’t categorically say that they must apply the 15 points.
The problem is the people that wrote the rules and knew their intentions are not there any more to apply the common sense.
 

The 15 point rule was to punish owners from putting a club in to admin and then coming out with a lower debt and same owners. If this is applied to Derby and Mel Morris is no longer involved it’s poor regulation from the EFL. 

Are BAWT a reliable source? 

50 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Yea. Because carrying on scoring the goals we have been are sure going to keep us up aren’t they ?

So your solution is to stick a CB up top…

This is a joke thread right? 

I haven’t read anything about this, as I don’t tend to use socials. If it was during the match I would be against. 
In principle I have nothing against a protest on the pitch following the game, if anything it shows the passion the fans have for the club. It may also attract more national attention to save the club. 
As long as they don’t ruin the actual game of football. 

I think I’ve said this before and the EFL constantly checking for funds doesn’t help. The admin should be saying they haven’t got any money, we’re on the edge of liquidation. Come now if you want to buy. If not we’ll be gone. 
At the moment, people are going to wait and wait until the last minute, when the club is down to its last penny. 

To be fair to the administrators, if we’re out of admin by the summer transfer window I think they’ll have done a remarkable job, considering the issues faced. Some clubs stay in admin for absolutely ages. Less than a year I would say is fairly successful. 

On 22/03/2022 at 10:18, Ghost of Clough said:

You can go into administration without exceeding P&S limits, as per Wigan a couple of years ago. In fact, going in to admin and exceeding P&S are extremely unlikely. The former suggests a lack of money, whilst the latter is usually a result of having plenty of money to throw around.

That’s what we thought. 

On 22/03/2022 at 09:15, Tamworthram said:

To be honest, I don’t think it matters how many previous cases there were. You only need one incident of a club taking advantage of the situation to walk away from their debts Scot free for it to be right to change the rules. If the EFL had foreseen it could happen they would probably have included the sanction in their rules before any club had done it.

How many examples are there of the following points deductions, embargo’s then almost sending or sending clubs under? I think we will be alright in the end but had this happened to a club with a smaller fan base I don’t think they would. 
I think they set a barrier to getting out of admin. If MM turned out to be the PB and he’s written off all the debt I think it would be reasonable. But this only punishes the fans and the club. Not the person(s) responsible. 

They brought in these rules to punish clubs going into administration and then coming out with no debts and gaining a competitive advantage. How many clubs were doing this to warrant the rules coming in?! 
In addition surely when the EFL brought in FFP/P&S they should have reduced any penalties for going into admin, given you now have further penalties anyway 

8 hours ago, Bobby said:

The creditors don’t have to accept why the PB is offering, the only way HMRC will accept 25% is if the other 75% is agreed to be repaid over a few years.

If we had lots of assets that would be true but given most would received next to nothing I’d we liquidate they’ll have to take what they’re offered. HMRC won’t be as much as a pushover but they will have to come to an agreement 

What hurt a lot about the second half on Saturday was exactly what Rooney said. Game management. The first 10 minutes of that half we should have kicked the ball in to there half with every touch in our half. 
You get the ball high and wide, somewhere a defender has to deal with it keep frustrating them. Once they’re initial effort and press dies down, start playing football again. Even Real Madrid did this when they won 3 champions leagues on the spin. No team is above it. 
What made it worse was a goalkeeper (who in my opinion has been solid this season) after we concede a goal passes to a midfielder under pressure. Get Buchanan high and wide hit the ball him. 
 

Id bring Fozzy into the team that started at Blackburn. Much more consistent this season. I’d add Plange instead of Ebiowie too. 

I suspect we are at and impasse again.

I think the bids have come in, less than is needed to avoid the 15 point deduction. With a proviso that the club isn’t subject to a deduction.

With the EFL and Admin working on how that might work. They may be saying we can work with that, if you go down to league 1, but if you are in the championship you start on -15. 

Just a theory but there is clearly a problem with all the bids with this amount of silence. 

1 hour ago, ram59 said:

But then MM would argue that he could afford it, until Covid happened which you couldn't foresee. Without covid, we would certainly be heavily in debt, but unlikely to be in administration and therefor would be 12 points better off and possibly not under such a strict player embargo. That £20+M hit from Covid would throw anyones business plan into question. Other clubs with smaller crowds and who are not sailing so close to the wind  or have owners with deeper pockets are managing to ride it out. The timing of Covid is also an issue, a couple of years earlier and Derby's finances would probably been strong enough to survive it.

I think also at the start of this season the attendances were so low due to gov restrictions and murmuring over another lockdown etc. He probably thought no one he’d have an empty ground again or at least thought the attendances would be rubbish all season. 
It would have been a bold move but if he had said “look I’m struggling to afford this now, please buy a tickets otherwise I might have to put in admin” I wonder the reaction from the fans. 
I think as a group log fans we have been terrific 

EFL consistently told us that we can’t bring anyone in if we can’t prove funding. Funding now proven, they have to allow us. If they don’t it really shows a clear agenda against us. 

Ffs Rooney, Fozzy has to start! He’s such an important outlet for us when we can’t play it short. Especially without CKR, very disappointing. 

17 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Mel gets nothing out of this. All of the money goes to MSD to pay off the loans they gave us to keep the club running for the past 2 seasons.

Again money Mel spent, it’s a personal loan secured against the stadium. He should just do the honourable thing and take the hit. These loans we’re supposed to be for short term liquidity when Mel hadn’t cashed in other area’s of his wealth.