DavesaRam

From Carlisles forum
Hope you have a great weekend bluebry, enjoying the Derby promotion party !

I don`t think I`d mind any team going up, by beating us, if it didn`t affect our own league ambitions.

Except Leeds, of course. I`ll forever enjoy seeing them fail.

Such as using the midfield?

He keeps confusing him with Kane Ward.

I wonder if this is your final “Warne in”?

He keeps confusing him with Kane Ward.

He keeps confusing him with Kane Ward.

I wonder if this is your final “Warne in”?

He keeps confusing him with Kane Ward.

He keeps confusing him with Kane Ward.

The end of that quote may well inadvertently work in @RoyMac5's favour however 😂

I have no problems with Roy having his opinions , but it would be nice to call a Truce for 2 weeks and celebrate promotion.Then we can start on the subject of recruitment.

Excellent post. I think he is an intelligent guy and has gradually worked things out. Expect it to continue into next season.

With Warne's managerial background being at Rotherham (no disrespect to Rotherham intended) his managerial tactics evolved based upon managing a smaller club, less resources, less player-pulling power and often being the underdog  in any football match. As such his tactics were based not on how can I get my team to out-pass / outplay the opposition, but more on how to counter them. I suspect that he didn't have that much experience of matches where teams would try to counter his tactics.

I think this year we have seen Warne growing as a manager, we still see that he sets up his team to counter the strengths (real or supposed) of opposing teams, and also he has struggled where teams are countering our play of getting the ball wide by doubling up on our wingers.
However, he is becoming more rounded in his tactical approach, with a lot of the play being along the floor or attempted pin-point long balls down or across to the wing.
Yes, we still hoof it, but only when a side effectively closes us down. 
I was sceptical of Warne when he first came, in fact I started the first thread questioning his tactics after his debut home game and whether our possession-based team could deliver them, but this season (more so than his first) he has learnt and developed how to progress from managing a smaller football club with limited expectation to a bigger club with a high expectation level.

I am hoping for the same development next season if we get promoted, especially starting to mix it up in the midfield area which we will definitely need in the Championship. 
 

Just to be clear as I don’t want it to be misconstrued, my reply to you wasn’t personal, it was meant as conversation and debate as others have been advocating for the last couple of days. You feel one way about this season (scraped in), I feel another (earned it but could have made it far smoother an experience overall if we’d put certain teams away) and was explaining my thoughts, wasn’t intended as a dig or anything so sorry if that’s how it came across 

Fair enough, that is your take on it, see @Nuwtfly post about 'enjoyment'. I enjoyed last season more, that is my take on it. I can't be bothered to explain why it will only lead to more personally anti posts about me rather than the football.
I'll be happy to be promoted, and now I'm looking forward to next season. #COYR

The question of whether this has been a "good" season is really interesting to me.
Statistically speaking it certainly has been. How can anyone argue that a promotion season (fingers crossed) isn't a good season?
And yet I would say that I enjoyed the McClaren season, the Lampard, maybe even the Rowett season, more than this one.
Why? Maybe my own personal enjoyment from football comes more from what I've seen happen over the 90 mins as opposed to the result.
I think what this season has done has made every Derby fan, whether they realise it or not, question whether they prefer the result or the football being played. 

“Angie, Angie, give us a wave,
Angie, give us a wave”!

First promotion for 17 years. First automatic promotion for nearly 30 years. Let’s counter your argument and say you think that finishing 3rd, playing good football but failing where it really matters is an achievement?
The arrogant attitude that anything less than running away with the title with triple figure points is a failure is why big clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich, Notts Forest etc got stuck down here for longer.
Less than two years ago we had about 6 players, no academy, no manager and had to play pre-season in temporary shirts because we didn’t even have kits. We were also put under restrictions, which still haven’t run out yet. So yes, I think getting automatic promotion in this timeframe is an achievement. A very good one, actually.

The thing is, how we fare in the Championship (should we get there) doesn’t depend solely on Warne.
It will require Clowes, Pearce, Hale, Thomas, Warne and all the other key people at the club working well to get things right.
The common denominator between teams that go up and prosper and teams that fall flat is not style of play. It’s how the club operates, the resources they have to be able to improve, and how they work strategically to achieve that.
Many think Warne will be the weak link moving forward, but if he has a team of good football people around him and the backing of the board, maybe collectively we’ll be stronger and more switched on than people assume.
 
 

Instead of belittling people who aren't fans of Warne or confident in him in the long term, why not try debating the points they make.
 

I think bobble ball is better anyway. And so does Mr. Hat.

Derby should have sacked Davies, but not for being an inappropriate manager for the PL, but because he was a sh*t-stirrer who only cared about himself.
I'd rather not be one of those clubs who sacks a manager who's brought them success simply because they think there are "better options out there" (see Birmingham City 2016-2024).

Anyway, If Warne gets us back he has my backing unless we look like relegation fodder. If we are mid table in mid season, scoring a decent number of goals then I’m onside and happy to see us rebuild the structure and finances of the club. We have to be competing but the prem can wait a season or two ! 
 
It’s results .. end of story 

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

It’s nowhere near the first time this has been suggested and it’s not the first time I, and some others, have said it’s incredibly unlikely to happen. Nor should it. IF we do go up, none of us really know what it will be like next season and PW will deserved the chance to have a crack at it.