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Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Here are the last four of the Starship version 1s to be built:
All these are pretty much ready to fly, hoping they still will. Sometimes SpaceX scraps Starships if it thinks it can't learn anything from them. But it's great news that only after two integrated flight tests, the company has learnt enough to implement significant improvements to the design. 
My hope is that one of these remaining ones will be sent into orbit to test what's called on-orbit refuelling. SpaceX and NASA are developing this technology together, for the Artemis flights to the Moon, but the bonus for all of us is that we need to perfect it to be able to go to Mars with a lot of cargo.
Until now, liquid-fuelled rockets used up all their fuel simply in escaping Earth's gravity well, before coasting towards their final destination. One of many radical new ideas for Starship is to refuel in orbit, meaning you can reach faster speeds on the way to Mars, and then also use fuel to slow you down once you reach your destination. 

They still can't get their heads around rapid unscheduled disassemblies, why would I confuse them with double rainbows.  
Aurora's are my new passion, one advantage of living in a quiet coastal village is that when I take the dog for a walk on the beach at night I get about 270 degrees of dark skies, I must have seen at least half a dozen this year. 
Unfortunately I don't have a decent camera, but several pro photographers post pics regularly on the local facebook groups.  This was from yesterday.  Stunning.  

They still can't get their heads around rapid unscheduled disassemblies, why would I confuse them with double rainbows.  
Aurora's are my new passion, one advantage of living in a quiet coastal village is that when I take the dog for a walk on the beach at night I get about 270 degrees of dark skies, I must have seen at least half a dozen this year. 
Unfortunately I don't have a decent camera, but several pro photographers post pics regularly on the local facebook groups.  This was from yesterday.  Stunning.  

Pity there are some truly awful teams in the PL this season and they can always loan a few in from Olympiakos now since they voted to allow it if they get really desperate 🤨
 

Ice crystals at high altitude baffles the internet.
For God's sake, don't tell them about double rainbows.

Take a bow son!
 

If you've got relatively clear skies tonight it might be worth nipping outside quick, fantastic view of a Moon Halo - looks like full rainbow around the moon up in North Yorkshire atm.
My phone camera is pretty crap, but there are plenty of decent images like this one on t'internet
 

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Something along the lines of the fan led applause being for Daniel Beavis, a true Rams fan both home and away etc.  I can't remember it all tbh but it was quite a touching eulogy.  Both the applause and comments by Dominic Dietrich came across well over the radio. 

Well England did play 2 home games in Oct, just saying...
 

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

Something along the lines of the fan led applause being for Daniel Beavis, a true Rams fan both home and away etc.  I can't remember it all tbh but it was quite a touching eulogy.  Both the applause and comments by Dominic Dietrich came across well over the radio. 

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Well, I appreciate the response.  If we could all keep the thread somewhat on track in future for those that 'dare to dream' it would be appreciated.
A lot of the stuff you mention do seem like insurmountable problems - similar 'insurmountable' problems we faced when we first thought about going to the Moon.  However, I'm 100% certain that NASA, SpaceX etc are aware of the problems and are coming up with solutions.  I linked this page from the NASA website previously;
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
Personally, I think its only a matter of time until humans have a permanent presence on both the Moon and Mars.  Yes there are huge challenges ahead and the timescales quoted may be optimistic, but I feel confident that I'll see it in my lifetime. 

Okay I'll bite, but I'm sticking to the space bit, I've got no time for the continued red pill rubbish. 
What copious amounts of evidence do you have to suggest that SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars?  Without repeating the rocket exploding argument - they went through the exact same process designing the previous rockets and reusable boosters that now haul virtually everything up into space.
Furthermore, if you are so adamant SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars do you think they should just simply stop now?  Or do you think they should continue to push the boundaries of what may or may not be achievable?  If its the latter, do you think those of us that have a genuine interest in the subject would like to discuss it without the thread being continually hijacked by an anti-Musk, anti-[insert forum user] agenda?
Ignoring your gut for a moment do you think that NASA, funded by the US Govt - currently one of Musks major fanboys (yes that was irony) would congratulate SpaceX on a successful launch the other day, if it was just a rocket blowing up?  And do you think they would have awarded SpaceX the $3bn contract for the moon lander if they were just going to continually blow up the money without gaining data and making progress?  It is also worth noting that NASA are not only planning on using the lander designed by SpaceX to land on the Moon, but also the rocket they are currently designing to get them there. 
And finally, how many people have SpaceX killed so far in testing?  How many did NASA kill during testing and live missions?  And what leads you think SpaceX will sacrifice anyone?  I don't know whether this is up-to-date, but as of the end of August SpaceX has launched 11 crewed missions (42 people) into space - and they have all come back alive.
https://spaceexplored.com/2023/08/26/spacex-crewed-flights/
Sure Musk has joked that people might not come back from Mars - the following for example, but Musk says a lot of stupid stuff;
"It's dangerous, it's uncomfortable, it's a long journey. You might not come back alive. But it's a glorious adventure, and it'll be an amazing experience," he said. "You might die ... and you probably won't have good food and all these things. It's an arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive, but it's a glorious adventure," Musk said.
"Sounds appealing," Musk laughed.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-mars-spacex-risks-astronauts-die
But if it gets to the stage that people are strapped in, counting down to take off it will be no different than the astronauts that went to the Moon.  President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the worst happened;
'Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.
These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.
These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.
They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.
In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.
In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.
Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.
For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.'
Even the later astronauts during the Shuttle era new the risks were 1 in 75;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1191013/moon-landing-nasa-odds-total-destruction-mike-massimino-apollo-11-mission-control-spt
Later, this was revised down to about 1 in 9;
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134265291/early-space-shuttle-flights-riskier-than-estimated
Space travel is dangerous, its right on the edge of what is possible and being the first to do anything always carries risk - but the first astronauts won't simply be sacrificial lambs.  I'd imagine the rocket will be the most technologically advanced rocket humans will have ever made, tested to the best of our abilities and knowledge and as seen above, the Astronauts will know full well the odds of making it back safely.  And if the worst does happen, to paraphrase the above;
'They will be mourned  [but] others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied.'

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Pity there are some truly awful teams in the PL this season and they can always loan a few in from Olympiakos now since they voted to allow it if they get really desperate 🤨
 

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.

Gotta admit I was listening intently to Radio Derby up here in North Yorkshire hoping to hear the applause in the 38th minute (it came across loud and proud).  I wasn't expecting the commentators to mention it, let alone talk about Daniel for as long as they did. 
B4 touched a lot of lives and trust he was happy with the recognition he got today as he looked down on us all going through the agony that is following The Rams.  I'm pretty sure he tied the defenders boots together for the first and willed the ball into the net for the second!
Its still sad to think we won't see anymore of his rousing posts on the forum.