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Is there anything else we can do to up the political pressure on the EFL? We need maximum pressure on them but most of the mainstream media do not care. It feels like we only get mentioned because they can say the name Wayne Rooney in the same sentence ?

If he does leave I don't see Sky giving any poo's that the club is dieing.

55 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

The EFL can back down and quickly they can also threaten to charge both parasite clubs with acting against the spirit of the league in fact they can impose anything they like based on our experiences 

True but you know they arnt going to do that without a lot more pressure. National media is not on our side generally, sky Everytime they speak they say the word cheating 15 times ? Simon Jordan didn't exactly do us an favours either.

24 minutes ago, alexxxxx said:

I'm unfortunately not so confident we'll beat liquidation.. 

As it stands the efl need to move from their position protecting WWFC and MFC which despite pressure politically, I think they'll need more of a stick to move their position. I don't believe the efl are capable of or even wish to resolve this themselves.

WWFC and MFC seem even more unlikely to change their position based on their statements this week.

I think the efl will end up giving us a 14day/21day extension to prove the club can complete its fixtures and forge a way forward. 

I reckon court action is the likely the only way forward. 

 

 

Yeah I have to agree on some of this as it feels like the EFL have put themselves in a position where they dont have to move. They have put it all on the admins to announce a bidder, or enough finance to survive and sort the claim. 

They get to sit there saying it's a private legal matter between clubs but we want it sorting before you do anything.

Feels like more pressure is needed to make them back down, time is on the EFLs side and not ours.

19 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

If we get through this that is a good thing surely. We want an owner who will not gamble next surely. 

No but there are different levels of gambling. Not saying I want someone throwing mountains of cash around in a Mel Morris part 2 situation lol but not gambling at all could see us liquidated, who knows. The EFL don't seem to care if the club dies. Just that we have been punished "enough" ?

8 minutes ago, Oldben said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/60040400.amp

 

I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. 

Just seen a video on sky sport YouTube saying Boro have launched legal proceedings against us??

Have sky got that wrong as I thought part of this was that bro and Wycombe have been saying they will get legal but haven't actually do e it because the EFL seems to be backing them a d the odds are they would lose in in court?

3 minutes ago, ptt1 said:

Here’s a solution.

Derby county football club limited accept that under the previous owners directors and in agreement with the previous auditors they applied an amortisation policy that whilst being in a format acceptable to accounting standards was outside of the understanding of the EFL and teams there in. Quantum accept that this was a moral misjudgement and deferred potential write downs on players to later in the term of their contracts however the net financial benefit to the club was £0 and this was a matter of interpretation of the timing rules relating to player registrations.

Derby acknowledge the claim from Middlesbrough but can see no merit in this being pursued by either party through the courts as this would only benefit the legal teams and neither of the football clubs or any other members of the EFL come out of this with any benefit. It could create a dangerous precedent for the EFL and would lead to claims being instigated concerning matters that are not necessarily related to teams competing on the football pitch.

The net benefit to Middlesbrough of being in the premier league for season 19/20 cannot be quantified but it is unlikely the club would have been profitable and therefore again the merit of the claim should be dismissed.

To ensure closure of this matter and allow the championship to continue with a full complement of teams for the 21/22 season Derby county are willing to offer a compromise.

Derby will support Middlesbrough community trust in the sum of £100,000 per annum for the next 4 years. They will also ensure that the Derby County Community Trust and Middlesbrough Trust work together to ensure that the benefits arising from these excellent community organisations can be maximised for the benefit of all the people involved and the users of these trusts.

 

Nice tactic but it feels like this is going to drag on with all parties digging in untill something changes

14 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

The problem is not a legal one. My understanding is that legally we can get a restructuring agreement and walk away from the claims.

The problem is that it supposedly breaches EFL rules so they won't allow us to remain in the league if we follow that route. It then effectively removes the restructuring plan as an option because no bidder will actually fund the restructure without the golden share.

So I guess this is where the fan/political pressure comes in to try and get the EFL to back down a little and allow the restructuring without the removal of the golden share?

Just now, RadioactiveWaste said:

Yeah, it may well be tactical.

I hope so ? I think with that pressure and more political/fan/media pressure that could get the EFL fall more in line.....or turn them more rogue ?

3 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Apparently the"new" move from quantuma is basically a restructuring proposal, which has problematic elements (eg starting next season with points deducted, screws creditors even harder) but sidesteps some barriers and has the well, it beats liquidation, doesn't it logic.

It might resolve things, but isn't necessarily a good outcome for anyone (except mike Ashley perhaps)

 

Could this be a tactic to put pressure on the EFL via the creditors. By telling the creditors were going to screw you on the money might they then pressure the EFL to get Boro etc to bog off and try and get a better deal for the creditors???

16 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Unfortunately the astronomical value now placed on Jason Knight’s  head might lead MM to conclude he doesn’t need to step back in 

I don't think he was ever going to step in. Maybe at 1min to midnight on the day of liquidation ?

36 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

The petition is gaining momentum, a great amount of signatures and some coverage in the news but wouldn't it be great if sports networks like Talksport brought this up. They barely talk about the championship- the obsession with the 'big 6' is too much when this is a proper big football story. They would probably rather talk about poor defending by Man U or whats going wrong at Spurs sort of things!

Should we be all emailing talksport this morning. Enough email might convince producers to give it some time?

6 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

The potential bidders may well withdraw though if there are no players left

Hopefully if the heat is turned up on the EFL over the next few days we won't be forced to sell??

Mel isn't going to spend another penny on this club. He has made that very clear in his actions

11 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Happy to explain. It’s worth concentrating on this because not only does it reveal why the statement was misleading. It also reveals how Q and their advisers have messed this up. 
 

What Q said, very carefully and deliberately, was the following : 

an obstacle is to deal with certain claims that are very much disputed but which we are being advised by the EFL cannot be currently compromised notwithstanding statute says otherwise. 
 

Now here’s the problem.  Q are indicating the EFL have wrongly said that the claims can’t be compromised. They evidence this by referring to a ‘statute’, which ‘says otherwise’

It is a devious and misleading way to cover their expensive and incompetent arses and to seek to blame the EFL for our predicament. 
 

Because the truth is - 

1 yes there is a statute that allows football claims to be compromised. Of course there is 
 

2 but the EFl is not denying this. Instead the EFL is saying something quite different. They are saying: ‘you can compromise the football claims to kingdom come, in accordance with statute, we don’t care. But the EFl rules require those claims to be paid IN FULL.  And you have foolishly and carelessly assumed that under our rules the claims only need to be paid in accordance with the compromise. Well that is wrong 
 

It’s exactly what you would expect the EFL’s position to be and it’s a reasonable one 

So the Q statement was misleading in a way that was intended to deflect blame from them to the EFl. And you think the EFL is not entitled to defend itself ???!!! 

That sounds horribly worrying and a rather bad position to be in for Quantuma and the Club ?

9 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Not what I heard today.

If we were liquidated we can't be DCFC. Like Halifax Town AFC had to change to FC Halifax Town.Macclesfield Town became Macclesfield FC.

I think after so many years the EFL can allow you to have the original name back but legally you arnt the original team.

That's my understanding but I hope I'm wrong

1 hour ago, CBRammette said:

But the admins duty is to the creditors. Best prices for the club and players only satisfy that duty. I think creditors will pick this up as EFL acting against their interests. So all tax payers should be interested in this re HMRC position. On liquidation they get nothing

Maybe that tax angle is what we need the media to pick up on. They don't seem to care we are being killed off by the EFL, but if they can stir people up with a good old "screwing the tax payer" story they might go for that lol

Signed

5 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

I think we should stay as Derby county

When we stay up they can not send us down they dare not.

Unfortunately we wouldn't be allowed to be Derby County, that's my understanding

4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Can't we create one of those Change.org petitions where when the matter being supported gets so many votes then it has to be discussed at a certain level?

Yeah anyone can. I'm surprised no one has done it yet. I thought one of the supporters groups might have done it seeing as they may have a slightly better understanding of events from speaking with Quantuma etc

Just now, Gritstone Ram said:

Yes someone who knows the facts because it needs to be factual.

Yeah this thing is complicated for us on this forum who have followed it and who love the club. For someone who out of the loop and not a Derby fan it must be extremely hard to understand and we have to deal with the fact people think we are "cheaters" it's very easy for people to ignore our points if they arnt coherent

Would it be good if someone could write the main points of the Issues out and we can all copy it and start emailing MPs, Media etc

That way we have consistent and coherent messaging going out

2 minutes ago, Rich84 said:

Only scenario I can see Jagielka contract cancellation is because EFL have revoked his player registration with us, remembering he was able to sign because Bielik and CKR injured, which they aren't anymore,  the mtg yesterday must have worried the EFL that we are seriously close to running out of funds and rejecting player bids has riled them.

I'm still hopeful he can play tomorrow and it's mis communication with the extension. 

Beeb saying no PB announcement yet again..... Quantuma have to come out and explain what the hell is going on.

From the looks of the tweet from Ed Dawes it looks like Quantuma won't be saying a word.

4 minutes ago, Crewton said:

At Sheff Wed's Tribunal hearing, it was revealed that the EFL wanted Wednesday and Derby's potential penalties to be applied to the seasons that would most impact on them, SWFC in 2019/20 (when their original 9 point penalty would have relegated them, but their eventual 6 point penalty wouldn't have) and Derby in 2020/21 (because we were more than 12 points clear of relegation in 2019/20). The Tribunal threw out their proposal stating that it wasn't the purpose of the Tribunal to directly relegate a team (i.e SWFC) by applying a penalty without giving them the opportunity to overcome that penalty on the field of play, and therefor the punishment must be applied to the following season.

Boro then further delayed our 2nd Tribunal (arising from the EFL's appeal against the decision of the 1st Tribunal) by commencing an Arbitration against DCFC  that had to be considered and determined before the LAP could determine the EFL's appeal. The panel determined that Boro had no jurisdiction to either start their own Arbitration or join the EFL's action.

This all started with Boro starting an Arbitration against the EFL in September 2019, which they dropped on the understanding that they would claim compensation from DCFC if the EFL brought charges against DCFC which proved to be successful.

So you can see clearly that the EFL have been in cahoots with Boro from the outset, simply to protect themselves from a very bitter little man.

That sounds like we are screwed unless we take it to court as the EFL are in league with Boro?

1 minute ago, StrawHillRam said:

Agree. I’m leaning towards CK

It feels like if CK is legit then he offers the most long term ambition. And if prediction about his companies future are correct this guy is going to potentially be a international player in sports and business.

just my opinion on it