RammingStone66

I hate bringing this up because it scares me to death thinking of it. But I remember it being mentioned that if liquidation happened it's possible we could start again in league 2.

Now if that is true (I'm not saying it is) but if so, isn't it much cheaper to let us die off then buy the assets in liquidation and start the club again. Paying a reported 28 mil and then whatever Mel wants for the stadium each seems expensive for a club that could end up in league 2 anyway If a rebuild next year isn't handled very well and wr get the 15 point penalty.

It feels like the club is losing value everyday and if you have no emotional attachment to the club then it's cheaper to start again. Still rent the stadium from Mel and build from scratch .

I hate it, but it scares me that might have crossed a certain Mr Ashley's mind and having worked around him when I was younger I wouldn't put it past him. I hope he is more empathetic than when I worked with him ?

When the embargo is finally lifted are there any free agents out there we think could help strengthen the team at the back? 

1 minute ago, Millenniumram said:

Fear losing Jagielka could be the final nail In our  relegation coffin. Can’t keep conceding this many goals and expect to survive. Don’t think we’ve kept a clean sheet since he left.

Hopefully there is a decent free agent about if the embargo gets lifted soon

18 minutes ago, NottsRammy said:

Dont agree the silence is deafening . The silence means there isnt a cat in hells chance gibbo is going for Mels deal and their not declining it before the match as for fear of causing trouble . 

I suspect the Monday following for gibbo to announce publicly that he declines and i think those in Derby already know they have just agreed to put it off till after the match prob at the request of the police . 

Think about it if he was going to agree to it , it would actually be a good thing and would be seen in a good light by all rams fans .So the fact we have the silence means only one thing...............the saga continues im afraid . 

What is there for gibbo to agree to?

I gathered from Radio Derby's conversations with the two solicitors that boro/WW can't accept Mel's offer as there in "no mechanism in the law" for them to claim against Mel personally. And if Mel is indemnifying the club then Gibbo has nothing to accept or refuse because it's nothing to do with him.

Gibson can't agree to something that isn't legally possible?? (Unless I'm missing something, apologies if so)

4 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

If Derby don't get City of culture it won't be anything to do with the club,a lot seems to think the city revolves around the club but in reality it doesn't.

Who cares about reality ? the EFL, Boro/WW don't seem to care about the reality of this situation or the reality that their claims are spurious ?

If it helps put pressure on someone to actually do something then its an angle that should be pushed.

5 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I don't expect it for one moment but, there has to be some kind of response or movement.

Does there have to be? If Boro/WW can't legally sue Mel then why bother responding. And if Mel has agreed to indemnify the club against the claims them Boro/WW have no statement to make because it doesn't affect them.

Feels like the ball is in Mel's court here, to clarify what he is actually doing (unless he has and I have missed it apologies if so)

6 hours ago, rammieib said:

Ok - where do we know we’ve gone to Arbitration? It’s been rumoured in a couple of press outlets but that’s it.

When is it? Whose on the panel? Whose representing us? Are they two separate panels? Etc

I’m not saying it isn’t happening but quite literally, we don’t have a clue and I don’t think right now that’s fair on any fan or interested party.

That's a good point I haven't seen any solid info on if or when arbitration is happening and the supposed court case if it fails. 

Can the Trust's get Quantuma to confirm? Or are they ignoring them too

Just now, i-Ram said:

Agree entirely. I have seen a lot on here of our fans moaning that no one from the football family has been overly supportive of our plight. But quite honestly I really don’t recall anyone on here waving the flag for Bury, nor Wigan, Macclesfield or indeed Bolton. Football fans are a very fickle lot.

I have to agree, not many of us were trying to save Bury but at somepoint the cycle needs to broken and clubs need to come together to stop this kind of thing happening 

Iv been amazed how ruthless some fans have been in actively wanting our death, some seem more ruthless than the chairman ? 

I can't see the general football community coming together at this moment but maybe one day

1 minute ago, hintonsboots said:

Didn’t realise @Bubbleswas on the administration team ??

If bubbles had been on the team the job would of been done and "Closer to the Heart" by Rush would be a new Club Anthem before every game ?

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

The EFL's aim is to get out if this with minimal consequences on the EFL. That's why their favourite is "just settle with Boro and Wycombe"

Exactly this all about what's suits the EFL. If we settle everyone walks away happy, the news dies down and everyone forgets the EFL are generally terrible. It also gives them the PR boon of being able so "look we negotiated a deal between clubs and saved DCFC, we arnt biased at all, how could we be, we saved them" ?

26 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Nuance isn't a good click generation reporting style.

I think that fact definitely plays against us here. It's a complicated issue for us who have been following it the whole time.

Easier to say Derby are cheaters than explain a situation.

4 minutes ago, Rambam said:

But Gibson has done plenty of creative accounting himself. Plus the stadium sale was deemed kosher. 
That made him move on to the amortisation method, which was initially rubber stamped by the EFL. 

It's annoying that the media seem to ignore that because it's much easier to call us cheaters and get clicks lol

23 minutes ago, Derbados said:

I agree, so then why commit to sending out the update the same day with little to no realistic chance of that happening? 

Did they commit to that, did they put out anything official? I only saw it on here, so genuine question?

4 minutes ago, Derbados said:

I see the Admins missed yet another deadline yesterday after agreeing with Ramstrust to provide an update to fans. 

It takes 10 minutes to type an update, they're not doing themselves any favours at all. 

I wouldn't say it's quite that simple when said update could be used in court later down the line. Also when your waging a PR war against someone and trying to keep potential buyers on the hook you want to make sure you get your wording right

1 minute ago, Crewton said:

I've never known any fanbase, anytime, anywhere, call for their owners to stop spending money on the squad. 

Stop beating yourselves up over this. It was up to the club's owner and senior executives to adhere to the rules and manage the club's finances. They failed Derby County, not the fans. 

Plus he made out like it was all fine and said we wouldn't fail P&S. People assumed Mel was telling the truth. From a guy who sold himself as a fan of the club I can't see where actual fans did too much wrong.

1 minute ago, UtrechtRam said:

If Boro make the play-offs this season and they have already broken FFP rules could the team in 7th sue them for a similar amount? They could really open a can of worms if they aren't careful. 

You ever get the feeling that Boro don't think they will be hit for breaking those rules? 

Maybe they have some magic accounting to fix it that the EFL will actually like, or is this pay off they want to get to just get under the limits. Or will they blame it on covid and the EFL will just accept that without really looking a they won't be hit. 

I wouldn't put anything past either of them

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

@Steve Buckley’s Dog

Wish we could get every sport journo in the land to read that timeline

2 minutes ago, Ewetube said:

I'm really surprised Neville hasn't been more vocal yet after how vocal he was with the Bury affair. I know he had family connections with Bury, but the the principle remains the same.

Good point, I think part of it is because the EFL did a great job of branding us as cheaters. I think it really has affected the perception of the club by the football world

1 minute ago, Ewetube said:

I think it would be unfair to expect WR to speak out directly against the EFL or the parasites as they are above his level of expertise.

He has to balance his frustration against his future employment prospects within and under the governance of the very body he'd be criticising.

Being perceived as a manager who criticises other teams' chairmen or business activities would also probably negatively affect his future prospects.

Asking some of his mates in the media to have a close look at it though would be another matter.

I know he can't do it as it risks to much personally but God would it really up the heat. So far his media friends havnt done alot for us. Just getting Rio or Neville, even Evra or someone to kick off a bit would be a great start ?

1 minute ago, StaffsRam said:

-21 points, 5 transfer windows under embargo, £100k fine, administration, likely relegation. That’s all for Mel’s transgressions, and we’ve largely accepted that. The threat of liquidation due to spurious legal claims is totally separate to that. We can be rightly angered at Mel, and we are, for all the above, and STILL be angry with MFC, WW, and through complicity, the EFL, for the continued vendetta, and it IS a vendetta against the club.

Our punishment, is unprecedented, and they’re still NOT happy. If that’s not vindictive and spiteful I don’t know what is. Pushing a fellow club into oblivion because you have a gripe at someone who’s no longer anywhere near the club. This is why children shouldn’t be allowed to own clubs. In fact I’m being unfair there, not even most children would behave in the way that pube-head and the ambulance chaser are. When an independent regulator is finally installed, the first thing they should do is kick this pair out of the game entirely. Football would be far better off without either of them.

You notice the media never mention the 5 window embargo ....just that we are cheats and had points deducted. It's embargos arnt a punishment unless your a top 6 prem club ?

2 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

The thing I cant understand is that fans of other clubs cannot see the wider implications if Boro and Wycombe succeed. They cant look past "Derby cheated hur dur" and see that the EFL regulations allow for any club to sink another with any form of claim if they end up in administration.

If Wycombe went in to admin in future and we decided to get our own back and put their existence at risk by slapping in a massively daft claim then apparently that's fine?

They all need to wake up.

You would think it could even set the precident for clubs to be making claims against each other everytime accounts are released. You could have clubs demanding be moved, fined, promoted, demoted etc. 

It's an insane situation for the EFL to put themselves in. If they kill us off, the government probably steps in and kills the EFL. If we survive, Boro sue them, their horrible governance is exposed and maybe the government step in and kill them anyway.

Sort of feels like, "well if we are going to die we are taking Derby with us" 

13 minutes ago, Ram1988 said:

We need to put pressure on the EFL. As the Boro and Wycombe chairmen are chancers. Just how do we do so ? emailing them? continue to ask our MPs to put pressure on the EFL?

I feel like we got to get the football media to react. We know sky are generally against us lol but any other media outlet we can get to talk about it is a win and added pressure. 

The fact no one is talking about the deal between the EFL and Boro is crazy. I worry if Wayne leaves he is our last link to the mainstream media. The media like to say "Wayne Rooney" 15 times a sentence and with out his ability to pull in clicks from casual fans for these outlets I fear we lose quite a bit of the already weak coverage. Be great if Wayne would bash the EFL and mention how the deal the EFL made is killing us.... as the media would pick it up ? but I'm sure if he did we would get sued or a points deduction lol

5 minutes ago, jono said:

The positive is that at least the basic truth is out in the open. Id Est : The EFL is wrongly trying to avoid arguing with Boro and Wycombe. Turning a football regulatory matter in to legal case between clubs. Wrong wrong wrong. 

True but who in the media cares. It feels like we need more pressure on the EFL but Rooneys interview and Lukaku being crap is more important the them.

3 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

He's not acctually the font of all knowledge now is he?

Never said he was did I? Just pointing out that they don't exactly line up so does that add more weight to the argument that the admins might be Bluff calling.

Just now, Leeds Ram said:

If he's calling their bluff in a meeting with a local MP rather than being candid about the situation that'd make me concerned for different reasons. This doesn't feel like a 'calling their bluff' kind of statement given they've not moved an inch but rather an admission there is nothing more they can realistically do. 

 

Just thinking this latest news doesnt exactly line up with what Simon Jordan said earlier. So could it be Bluff calling?