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2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

It's now easier to sign non-EU players than it was before though.

Do we have the scouting budget to even look outside the EU or anyone on staff with any real knowledge on non EU players? 

Would be nice as you would Imagine there could decent quality to be found. But we are notorious for looking no further than Scotland most of the time ?

Question, if the EFL did try to relegate us can we go to CAS?, a system that should be outside the EFLs grasp

8 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Leonsis' vehicle monumental sports and entertainment sounds interesting - making their money through owning iconic sports franchises and multi purpose arenas. 

Sort of makes sense with pride park but they are currently very us centric. 

Yeah when your business is set up to exploit the asset that is the stadium you then you probably dont have to care as much about the team that plays in it.

Especially as that team loses money and putting gigs in there makes you money. As a business man you would assume Derby County it's self may not be the top priority for his business unless we started to make money as a club. 

Could be wrong just trying too look at it from a perspective of someone who has no emotional link to the club or the sport and comes from a country where the business of sport is done very differently.

Its like i did see people slagging off Jaime Vardy for buying a USL club in America and saying "why bother buying a club in a league with no promotion or relegation, waste of time"........ probably because the costs are generally fixed Inna contained league and he believes he can make consistent money with a team in that league ?. Promotion is not the goal there, making consistent money in a specific market is.

Not every club is run for love, especially in America. But it does highlight our very different philosophy on Sports business in general.

The Mikey Arison one would be interesting. He employes a high end set of executives for the Miami Heat, a top coach and he spends to make sure that the Heat are perennial contenders in the NBA. He is generally considered a good owner who isn't stingy, got the best player on the planet to join his team and won a few championships over the years too.

Would be interesting to see if his strategy would be the same for us.

6 hours ago, Andicis said:

If/when we sack Rooney, mid table. But we'll waste 20 games on Rooney, so another relegation battle. We'll likely stay up though.

If a takeover has happened or we sell some youngsters to actually be able to afford to sack him after 20 games ?

In real terms how fast would a takeover need to happen for us to even attempt a half decent transfer window?

Also am I right in thinking even if the new owner had loads of money he would be restricted by the club's current P&S position, so we wouldnt have transfer fees flying around and would still be searching the bargain bins, but we would be able to pay bigger wages because the embargo would be over?

2 hours ago, cheron85 said:

I think they still own 3% of the company - Which would equate to about 6 billion as of last year...

Admittedly that's probably spread across quite a few people now so I doubt any of them is worth more than a few hundred million - Depressing when you think that's 'not much' by the standard of modern football owners

I believe it's Micheal Eisner, former Chairman/CEO of Disney. He is usually credited with revitalising Disney in the late 80s and through the 90s.  Lost his position in the mid 2000s to Bob Iger who just moved over to Bob Chapek and is supposedly taking a serious look at running for the US presidency.

22 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

To be fair, the only time our 11 points is mentioned is when another team looks like they may come close to beating it. Also, I don't remember the last time (if ever) "the media" referred to us as the worst team in premier league history. I tend to think it's something we are far more conscious of than others. 

You are probably right, Wayne Rooney's face generates more clicks than "worst team in prem history does X"

2 hours ago, IslandExile said:

For once not a media conspiracy; we truly were the worst. 

Totally agree, until someone gets only 10 points we will keep that tag. Even if someone did get 10 we would probably get referenced as "former worst team in prem history" ? the media need a tag to get clicks and well it works. That's why in an article specifically about Mel all the pictures are of Rooney ? Rooney generates more clicks 

The media would still use the lowest points total against us and call us the "worst team in premier League history" ? 

2 hours ago, Grimbeard said:

'Cos a gazillionaire can pay off all debt, thus removing a huge cloud that's hovering overhead, they can also ensure that the club owns P.P. and the training ground.  Then they can get the accounts in order and get them filed with the EFL, at the same time  sweetly smiling and making concillatory noises thus lifting any embargo. They must surely also be able to spend some money on stuff that doesn't impact on FFP or whatever it's called this week.

All the above will make the manager's job a little more straight forward and make us more attractive to new players and sponsors.

Failing that, we can have a whip-round and a jumble sale, but I think plan 'A' is the better option.

Having a superich owner would allow us to explore other commercial options and developments you would imagine, and technically they can spend whatever they like as long as they get us promoted before the P&S merry go round catches up with us.

Not saying that's a good idea ? but it's an option some clubs have used to great effect lol.

7 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Debts and liabilities of up to £60 million?

The frightening thing is if we were to sell Bielik, Jozwiak, Knight, Sibley, Bird and Buchanan, would it even make a dent?

What a shocking state of affairs.

Just when you think this club and the people in charge couldn't shock you any more, they find a way.

Amazing a year ago people were saying we shouldn't take less than 15mill for Sibley....would you get 15mill total for all of the youngsters together? Do we know what we actually got for Bogle and Lowe, some reports were like 11-14mill with incentives and others I saw were as low as 4 mill?

16 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

I think the barometer is going to be Rooney. If things are that bad he won't stay - we'll have to sell any player we can and will finish 24th, even if we don't get a points deduction. Rooney just doesn't need that.

If Rooney stays, it means that he is convinced that he will have enough resources to at least aim for mid-table. He'd need to very firm assurances from Mel or knowledge of a credible take over on the horizon to stay. At this point Wayne is king rat...if he abandons we're sinking. 

Got to agree with you there. I felt like the interview after the last game "things need to change from tonight" was him priming the narrative and telling the club that he needs resources or he is gone.

Can't blame him tbh, having less than half a squad of mostly youngsters and then probably being told you have to sell the best and probably only sigh cheap/free replacements doesn't sound like an ideal first management job ?

14 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said:

TBH I wouldn't mind Ricky Gervais as an owner, he must be well caked up. 

 

More likely to buy Reading though I suspect.

Sure I read he is the second richest comedian in the world behind Jerry Seinfeld.

1 minute ago, Barney1991 said:

I’ve read the athletic story again and it seems whoever alonsos silent partner is who probably actually has the money might be thinking of getting the club without Alonso. Wonder who this is 

Yeah that 'silent' partner is supposedly the OSO group guy Oktohari. I pointed out a while ago when it was being reported that the 60-70mill figure for the club seemed high for a guy (Oktohari) that's worth around 200mil. That would be a significant chunk of his worth on a loss making football club. But now it's reported that it's only the 5mill plus the debt of 40mill which makes more sense as they are now trying to get away with not paying the debt off in one go. 

Still smells like Oktohari or Alonso arnt spending any serious money and just using oktoharis money as a front to get the club in a "leveraged buyout" kinda way. Maybe that's why the EFL reportedly want him to pay the debt off straight away as they are worried he is an asset stripper or doing a leveraged buy out.....just a thought but I could be totally wrong too 

Wow footballers contracts really are fantastic arnt they. You basically can't sack them unless they commit a serious crime ?

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

It doesn't matter whether reporters speculate he has the money to complete the deal or not, the only people he needs to show proof of funds to will be the EFL.

Also where is the £70m coming from? The deal reported in the media the other day was £5m in cash, plus inheriting £40m of debt.

The only people that seem to actually have no idea about this transaction, unsurprisingly, are the media.

Well Alonso said on talk sport the EFL want him to pay the debt off now so want 35mil depositing in a holding account which Alonso said no too, so you would imagine the 70mil figure comes from 35 being half of 70 and the original deal being reported around 60mil plus another 10 to run the club as I understand you have to show the EFL you have enough money to run the club for 2 years as well as the money for the purchase?

I assume the EFL are also worried where this money has come from as he denies any links to Oktohari or using any money from his family.

But as I said if it's true that people In the club think he has no money, and anyone with an internet connection can see it's difficult to figure out how he got his hands on so much money then you would think the DCFC board would be suspicious after being screwed around for the previous 6 months by another guy with no money ?

"Alonso has privately been telling Derby’s current owner Mel Morris that he remains optimistic, but one source close to Pride Park said: ‘Alonso seemed a no-hoper from the start and there’s been no evidence he’s got the funds to do the deal.’

If that is true and most of us who have researched Alonso and Raja Sapta Oktohari        (who's OSO group is reportedly worth 200mill, so half what Mel is reportedly worth.....would you give a very significant portion of your family wealth... potentially 150m+..... to a 29yo Spanish kid who hasn't run a football club??) Could determine that it was hard to see where Alonso even had the 70mil to complete the deal never mind the extra 150 he kept talking about. If we plebians on the internet with the power of Google could smell something was off, why couldn't the Mel and the board. Is he truly that desperate that he just went with the offer that looked closest to being finalised and barely bothered to explore the 'american' or 'dream owner' offers ???

The whole thing on all sides seems off tbh.

31 minutes ago, ziggyram59 said:

Mel Morris do the honourable thing and get rid of this  charlatan( ALONSO) who obviously is no good for our club. I know you want to sell our club as soon as possible but please think of what you are doing. If possible try and see if Peter Gadsby maybe interested in a local bid, people like the fake sheik and Alonso are making our club the laughing stock of English football. 

From the way it was reported it was made out that the deal is final, both parties are legally committed to having to buy/sell the club and the only thing that could stop it is EFL approval. Not sure Mel can stop it without legal repercussions and he seems rather keen to get a deal across the line as soon as possible

Wow that was agonising ?

23 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

Yeah and in that 8 years in the play offs (not factually correct but I will let It slide) didn’t we have a rookie manager in Clement setting us up for them and another rookie manager with zero qualifications in Fat Frank..? 
Rooney took on a total basket case of a club, we should be thankful he didn’t walk away himself 

 

No sure why we should be thankful he didn't walk off, we had Wassell who could of took over again, the results couldn't be too much worse ? if we go down and Rooney stays (which I admit is very unlikely) I imagine we would struggle badly to pay his wages and we might be praying he leaves. 

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

We could be playing a National League side and I'd back us to lose. We are so pathetically fragile that and semi pro team with the desire to put dome effort in would tutn us over in our current state. 

Our squad and management team simply do not deserve to be in their respective positions. 

Well we did go 0-0 with barrow and lose to Chorley this season didn't we? ? your perspective seems pretty nailed on. Any team with drive or determination and we are screwed

If we do drop and he stays (very unlikely) I think he would tear league 1 one up if we have a team that is competent at least. I think he would cause real issues for defenders at that level.

8 minutes ago, DazzaRam said:

Why would anybody buy a football club if they dont have the money or backing? If Alonso didnt have that then why would he buy Derby? Whats the gain for him? The only way anybody really gets any payback is if the club does well. I dont see the logic so he must have the money or backing or its just throwing money away surely. 

I'm sure it was reported proof of funds has been shown but the EFL want to know where he got those funds from seeing as he has no obvious way of having made that money and is denying that his family or Indonesian millionaires gave it him.

15 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

There's no way a bloke who has fought in 5 professional boxing fights and is a small time agent has the money to run a football club. That's just not credible- the money is definitely coming from other backers. 

Totally agree on this. Alonso may be rich to most of us but isn't football club owner rich lol. Also his boxing career in indonesia matches up with Oktohari owning 2 boxing promotions in Indonesia. What I don't get is that Oktohari is rich but not that rich in football terms, his OSO group is reportedly worth 200million so 70 mill is a lot to blow on a money losing football club that you are denying you gave money to buy ?. I know it was originally reported as a group of Indonesian investors behind Alonso, a group would make more sense financially.