Woodley Ram

Fully stocked up on toilet paper though the stick might prove troublesome.

That's the thing isn't it..don't spend anything in the ground, scumbag. 

he is a total muppet, as a reporter how can you be so misinformed and biased 

he is a total muppet, as a reporter how can you be so misinformed and biased 

he is a total muppet, as a reporter how can you be so misinformed and biased 

its as Rooney has said going be down to the wire. I think we will get close to Reading. Re Reading their form will change possibly when they change their manager. I expect them to improve. I think we will be above Peterborough and Barnsley but lets see re Reading. lots to play for. Their next 2 games are important, if they lose then pressure will build. However like I say they will change their manager and teams always pick up or a least a couple of games.

I can see how, from the outside looking in, you could be a bit miffed that derby may escape punishment. 
technically the punishment for admin is 12pts, but how often has that gone hand in hand with relegation. Relegation, and a fire sale, is almost a given, it’s expected, and you can think yourself lucky if it’s not back to back.
I liken it to a trial by combat in the Middle Ages. Technically, you could avoid the death penalty if you win, but the odds are stacked heavily against you. If you do win though, those you’ve aggrieved will feel you’ve escaped justice. 
so I can see the logic, but it’s flawed logic. Some teams breach ffp and do well, they escape punishment altogether (Villa) or when they are punished, it’s a drop in the ocean fine (QPR). Some don’t gain much from their breaches, and end up plummeting through the leagues. If you’re going to hate on us, who fall into the second category, then how do you feel about Bournemouth, qpr, Leicester etc, do they need further punishment? It would be nice if the efl would treat everyone the same way, but they don’t, we’ve certainly been given one of the heaviest and potentially devastating punishments for breaches like this. But it’s up to every team to deal with those punishments how they see fit. Fade away, or bounce back.
We are helped by having players like Bielik, who we still haven’t technically played for. I could see how that could irk some. It does seem odd that, theoretically, you could buy a bunch of galácticos, then go into admin, take the 12pts deductions safe in the knowledge your star players will easily overcome it. 
but it’s literally just the man made of glass that comes under that category, that we’ll get half a season out of if we’re lucky. The rest of our thread bare squad has been cobbled together over several years of embargoes. And the vast majority is just home grown talent playing for a packet of haribo and the thrill of a hair scruff from Rooney every week.
so somehow we’re supposed to take a team that just barely scraped survival last season thanks to sheff weds’s own deduction. Add allsop, stearman and Morrison, and promote a few kids from the academy, and with those additions, get 21 extra points this season.
We’ve taken our punishment, and then some (and there may yet be more to come, we’re by no means out of the woods yet). Most would argue that what we’ve already had has been a disproportionate amount of punishment. Now we have our fair shot at fighting for our lives, and unlike most in our situation, we are fighting tooth and nail.
say what you want about the admins, but we could have been left with a squad smaller than Boltons at the end of January, the inevitable fire sale didn’t happen. They sent to think we didn’t need it, I hope they’re right, and if they are, they’ve played a blinder  we’ve lost some Crown Jewels for a pittance, but it could have been a lot, lot worse. People think a just punishment would have been that Bolton extreme, or a Portsmouth plummet, that we’re circumventing the rules again to escape just punishment.
But for the first time in ages, we’re actually playing within our means, within the rules (despite rules being changed as we go), playing football how it should be. We are setting an example of how good you can be if you cut your cloth accordingly, and build a team around work ethics and character, not around expensive prima donnas. And for that, we are rightfully being lauded, by anyone who knows what they’re talking about.
 

To be fair, didn’t their supporters group speak out in support of Derby’s situation ahead of the game? More than lots of other clubs have done. Thought they were spot on last night. You will always get morons. Birmingham it seemed to be on mass, Forest also with waving the fivers but even then in the Leicester game while they got the chant going it was muted. 
 
No problem with Hull.

let their pies go cold and their beer go warm, give them nothing
sing what ever you want to Gibson just sing it loud and nasty
but no naughty stuff

Hopefully there new manager has the same impartial as Barnsleys 

its as Rooney has said going be down to the wire. I think we will get close to Reading. Re Reading their form will change possibly when they change their manager. I expect them to improve. I think we will be above Peterborough and Barnsley but lets see re Reading. lots to play for. Their next 2 games are important, if they lose then pressure will build. However like I say they will change their manager and teams always pick up or a least a couple of games.

Over to you Chrissy Martin 2mrw

Some will be definitely on the bad white stuff

Agree, we need to be whiter than white, sing what ever you want but no bad stuff 

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.

Because we are where are due to him. Nice offer but if he had run the club probably we would not be in this situation 

Because we are where are due to him. Nice offer but if he had run the club probably we would not be in this situation 

He might think that but he would be wrong 

Because we are where are due to him. Nice offer but if he had run the club probably we would not be in this situation 

Because we are where are due to him. Nice offer but if he had run the club probably we would not be in this situation 

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.