winktheram
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6 minutes ago, Rammie1884 said:
Hi guys, avid reader and first time poster…….live in Deal on south coast, avid fan, get to games as much as possible, big ram on lounge wall, Tattoos and at a loss……I may of missed it but didn’t CK have to put a hefty non refundable deposit down when made PB?
No, he hasnt put a penny down. That was earlier in the process to see us through the season. As time went on, Q managed that by various player sales and the odd sell out.
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42 minutes ago, RipleyRich said:
What does it matter?
I've explained my relationship with DCFC and why I have an affection for the Club.
Whether I support Forest, Liverpool or Borussia Dortmund doesn't change that.
It does.
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5 minutes ago, derby8 said:
Just a thought about Pride Park.
Opened in 1997 so assumed in a fairly good state, just needs a bit of tidying up and could be expanded to 41,000 if needed at some stage.
But has all that been verified by engineers, etc.
Ask because the Birmingham City stadium problems mentioned above relate to 2 stands opened just before Pride Park, in 1994.
1994 and 1997 don't sound that long ago, to some, but much can go wrong in a quarter of a century or so.
Think we are whittling a bit for no reason. For the safety certificate it gets inspected regularly. It's also different of construction. PP is essentially steel framed with its main columns bolted to concrete pile caps on piles. St. Andrews stand is reinforced concrete mainly. I understand their issues are their bolts at the base and some of the reinforcement that are both encased in concrete and are corroding. The corrosion is from moisture in the ground leaching into the concrete and poor grade bolts. Was only talking to an engineer colleague from our Brum office about it last week.
- Seth's left foot and derby8
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1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:
Not sure but we know the dirties would fill the stadium twice.?
Last time florist were relegated to League 1 (04-05) they had 24,800 at their last home game v Gillingham, with a season average of 22,943.
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33 minutes ago, Curtains said:
Thanks Curtains hadn't seen that before. Great read.
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1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:
I don’t think there is any need to close parts of the ground if we were to still get crowds of anything over say 17,000. Certainly not if we maintained attendances over 20,000.
Don't know why you want to do this 'because it looks bad on TV' we've had 20-24000 in the ground most weeks and the atmosphere has been brilliant. Feck the look on TV or for that mater what the numptys down the road think. Its the atmosphere that matters and it's been the best in years.
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3 minutes ago, DerbyRevolution said:
it's an idea you don't agree with, it doesn't mean it's not a good one. change can be good
Don't mean it's a good idea either.
- Kathcairns, Indy and Crewton
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1 hour ago, SEAO said:
I've sorted it thanks - had to go on the buy now option and I'm now all paid up and ready
5 minutes ago, minesahartington said:Full option on Rams Tv (£10) no need to pop over to Spain…
Weird as if I log in from UK. Get not available in UK only non dark markets. Of I 'pop over to Cambodia' can only get a monthly subscription package. All well.
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Did it give the pay per patch option of £10? As I'm only getting the monthly subscription option. Which is unusual. Yes I'm in a 'dark market' so the watch match option is available.
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9 minutes ago, angieram said:
I agree, and a couple of additional points
It could help the council save money if they use the venue for events that they would previously have bought in from other providers.
I would like to see a better use of the building out of football hours, with better community rates all round. The prices charged by DCFC were ridiculous, meaning it sits empty far too much of the time. I booked conferences etc from other private providers in the past because of their extortionate rates.
The club should have a better 'community' focus, rather than the current 'corporate' one.
On the argument about use of local council taxpayers money, there are many people who don't get much benefit from bus subsidies, social care services, libraries, parks, swimming pools, velodrome, residential accommodation, etc etc etc. A council is there to provide a variety of services that benefit the community and the football community in the city is huge. Who's to decide which services are worthy and which aren't? I think a lot of people who never even set foot in Pride Park would consider themselves to be fans and take a pride in 'their' Club. The wellbeing this creates when times are good is huge and shouldn't be underestimated.
Agree mate. It's a broad church out there and Derby County are part of our community. Never used the velodrome but I think it's a great community asset for those that do. Nothing wrong with the council investing in PP. Used by many and the council will get their money back and some, at some point in the future.
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15 minutes ago, curb said:
It wasn’t an actual cash sale with Mel’s till ringing the cash in as Mel handed over the money to himself, it was just an excersise in avoiding FFP. It raised a massive red flag for a lot of people, but tbh it didn’t really register with me that much, because I was still taken in thinking MM would see us right.
Not quite, that's what Wendies did, no money changed hands and then put the sale in the wrong year to add to their issues. The £200M he keeps saying he invested/lost was always in the form of loans, so the sale of the Ground for £80m wiped out £80m of the loans - essentially money we'd already spent but appears on the balance sheet as a + on for that year.
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40 minutes ago, 24Charlie said:
Festy is not very good. I'm surprised more don't see it. He has speed but his final ball and decision making are the worst of any winger I've seen at Derby for sometime. As for his finishing well that's rubbish too.
If it wasn't for our predicament he wouldn't be getting a sniff of first team football. Fortunately someone at Udinese is a gullible as many of our fans and has taken him off us for a fee.
Did you mean 'for free' as we certainly aren't getting a fee. Despite his deficiencies he's still young, will improve and is worth more than bugger all. He will only get better the more he plays. I think your comments are wide of the mark, he is good and has the potential to be very good.
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15 minutes ago, Macintosh said:
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/money-go-hidden-costs-running-15860716
This article explains the cost of maintaining a ground and training facilities, and the similarities between Boro's and ours is obviously mirrored. They got the costs down to £15.1m. A fan-led consortium could never pay that even if handed the ground for free and the transfer of the training ground lease. It has to be an investor. How many have been involved in cricket, football, darts, table-tennis teams, that when there is a call for volunteers to be fixtures secretary, chairman etc, the whole room goes quiet, that is what fan-led means to me, a few doing it and the rest happy to see it happen. We need Mike Ashley, we need his investment.
Cracking article that is, thanks for sharing. Don't half make you think. You can see what the bidders are up against, clear the debts but then further on-going funding is needed to just stand still let alone 'go for it'.
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Wonder how attractive Kirchner's £30m plus £10m a year over the subsequent 3 years compares to what's on the table now............
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15 hours ago, hintonsboots said:
Negotiations are continuing in order to ensure a suitable bid can be accepted that satisfies the necessary criteria to fulfill the EFL’s requirements and insolvency law.
I read this as bids have been lodged and Quantuma are attempting to negotiate them up to the minimum level to satisfy Rick et al and UK insolvency Law ?
They say the clue is in question, or answer in this case. At some point, which is now probably the end of the season as we have funding till then, we will have to accept 'a deal/best deal' and take the -15 and crack on. We can't start next season in admin so something will give. It's that balance for a bidder, is -15 in League one, a division we are likely to be in anyway, offer value in saving say £10M?. On the face of it I would say yes. £10M (or whatever, £5M even) goes a long way in League 1, new squad which will be needed as no-one is left, re-supplying the academy etc etc - for an extra year or two in League 1 to get a decent ground zero base and then push on. On balance, if I was bidding, I think I'd save the money and take the points/wait and see if the miracle happens and we stay up. Can't see a quick resolution given that answer from Q.
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12 hours ago, Yani P said:
They certainly did..you obviously didn't deal with rails bookies back in the day..they would lay horses to tens of thousands over the odds available based on their knowledge and judgment - very successfully to.
Fair enough Yani P. You are right I haven't.
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1 hour ago, Yani P said:
Bookies in this Era always make a profit..thats why they are accountants in reality not bookmakers. The true bookmaker that would back his own judgment disappeared from the game decades ago sadly.
Bookies never backed their own judgment. They were bookies not punters. Always been about balancing the book.
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1 hour ago, RammingStone66 said:
I know, I did mention that I'm not sure if it's true but maybe Ashley thinks he can swing it. His ruthlessness and ability to not care a jot what anyone including fans think of him is quite incredible.
But paying 20+ mil for a club with 6 players on the books, no stadium, that's probably dropping a league, will probably get a 15 point deduction in that league and be forced to work under another embargo or very strict business plan seems like a bad investment. Our history means mostly nothing to anyone that's not a fan. I mean just YouTube us and just about everyone under 35 just knows us as the worst prem team ever. A phoenix club if it started in league 2 would still attract good attendances for that league and over time could build back. Everyone loves a winner they say lol.
I hope to whatever footballing gods there are that I am wrong and I am just freaking myself out after another day of disapointing news, I just find it hard trust anyone involved in this admin process at all, no matter what side they are on.
I 'heard' it's not Ashley screwing down a deal, his bid is in. The new spanner in the works was a last minute bid by Dell (msd) l. Would make sense as they are the major creditor with money already in he club and the stadium.
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the £80M 'sale' amounted to previous loans he gave the club. So no cash changed hands but all above board, unlike the Shef Wed issue.
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58 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:
I thought he did and corrected himself but wasn't sure and in my head I thought it must've just been kind of implied that was what had gone on.
We'll never know the full details I suppose.
RD just played it again. He does thank them both for the settlement. Guess you can read into that whatever.
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1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said:
I think the word was carefully chosen to not use the word "settlement" and in this context it could mean anything from Mels agreed to indemnify new owners from arbitration liabilities to they both agreed to drop everything to gibson got £x to bugger off.
Going off the interview with the administrator, my hunch is Mel gave Gibson "some" money for MFC to drop it against DCFC and probably agreements on what can be said publicly (e.g. probably for Gibson/MFC to no longer say "systemically cheating for years" etc).
I'll have to play it back but I'm sure the admin fella let slip that he thanked MM for the 'settlement' during the interview. I would infer from that MM may have made a payment.
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