Tamworthram
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19 minutes ago, Charliegeorge1962 said:
I can see their last game against Bolton going for a draw at that will be their 3rd game in a week.
Either way the win against Cambridge and its promotion because I cannot see relegated Carlisle putting up a fight in the final game with 30,000 plus screaming in their faces.
I agree but I'm just saying, don't count your chickens. As has been mentioned previously, it's not that long again that we only needed a draw at home to lowly Reading (admittedly, a different proposition to playing Carlisle - I hope) to make the play offs but we ended up losing.
I'm also predicting a draw in that final game Posh v Bolton but who knows what will happen. One team may be resting players for the play offs whilst the other is going all guns blazing in order to overtake us. Look at last season. Barnsley, already in the play offs and 12 points ahead of Posh, end up losing 2:0 at home to them on the last day.
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16 minutes ago, Charliegeorge1962 said:
Automatic promotion for us this Saturday.
Us getting a few goals against Cambridge. And I can see Vale getting a draw at Bolton.
COYR
Don't forget, we also need to better Peterborough's result as well to be absolutely certain on Saturday. They've got a big goal difference to make up (probably most of it over their next two games as I can't see either Bolton or Posh beating the other by more than a goal or two) but, you never know. We may need to keep the champagne on ice.
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10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Glad your happy. 👍
As I replied, yes an achievement. Done with some of the League's best players and best paid players. Oh, well not yet done, so probably scraped in. An achievement though.
Is this you confessing that you’re not happy if we get promoted then? 😀
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3 minutes ago, Srg said:
Wonder if the record books will have an asterisk in them for "scraped it playing Warne-ball".
(should we get over the line - not to tempt fate)
Does this qualify as a legitimate point worthy of debate?
No, I didn’t think so.
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5 minutes ago, Srg said:
Look at the replies... a fair few.
Just as entitled as us then?😀
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9 hours ago, Ram@Lincoln said:
Ian Evatt has thrown in the towel. Don't mess it up Derby...
I wonder how many Bolton fans will be calling for him to “do the decent thing and resign” if he fails to get them promoted as some on this forum have suggested Warne should do if we don’t go up? 😄
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8 hours ago, Grumpy Git said:
I had one, but for me, the train journey to Cambridge is such ballache, I gave it to a mate who lives a lot closer.
Tut tut. So someone has confessed to abusing the priority sales system. 😀
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1 hour ago, simmoram1995 said:
My head says 1-1 with a red card and multiple injuries for Bolton but I can’t look past at least 3-0 Bolton
Surely you meant your heart says 1:1 but your head says at least 3:0 to Bolton?
I reckon we’d all be equally surprised and delighted if Shrewsbury got anything out of tonight.
PW and the team will be aiming to win both of our remaining games. Us, as supporters, have probably got to accept that’s what’s required.
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7 hours ago, DB83 said:
As for the game… we couldn’t beat Cambridge at home, so I have zero confidence that we can beat them away.
Same with Carlisle… they’ve already won 3-1 away at both Bolton and Peterborough… I fully expect them to do the same at PP.
I’ve been known to be wrong, of course, but… … …
Football isn’t that straightforward though is it?
We couldn’t beat Peterborough, Oxford, Wigan and Charlton at home but we beat them all away.
Consequently, whilst I fear a draw, I don’t think there are any grounds to have “zero” confidence that we can beat them purely because we couldn’t beat them at home.
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10 hours ago, Andicis said:
Not saying what I think Clowes will do, this is all of course just my opinion.
The sense is that it gives us the opportunity to build a squad for a new manager with a new direction and a clean slate.
I would argue that it could well be a wise use of resources as the alternative could be far more costly.
Say if we are to invest everything into the team Warne wants, and things don't work in the Championship, aren't we then entrenched into the Warne style by having players purchased to play that way?
My opinion on the style of play is based from what we've seen so far. Maybe it'll change with better players, I imagine that fundamentally it will be the same as we've seen. Personally, I don't really enjoy that. Some people probably do which is fair enough, but you have to admit that at the very least the style is polarising amongst the fans which is never a positive.
The football this season has rarely been pretty, I don’t think anyone can deny that and the thought of more of the same isn’t very appetising. However, how much of that is down to the manager’s preferred style and how much is down to a need to adapt and do whatever it takes to get out of this league? Probably a combination of both. On the latter point, a lot of games this seem to blur into each other (which maybe says it all) but I reckon a lot of our entertaining football has come against the better teams in the league (I can’t substantiate that theory before anyone asks, it’s just a gut feeling). So, on that basis, I think we’ll either get rolled over pretty much every week (or, if we’re lucky manage to cling on for a point or three every now and then) or, we’re able to make some decent recruitment in the summer and will be able to go toe to toe with the more talented teams you get in the Championship - matching them to an extent in terms quality of football.
Obviously the former is what we all fear whilst the latter is what we all want. I for one (not that it’s up to me of course), am prepared to give PW the benefit of the doubt and accept that, to a degree, the quality of football we have seen this season has been down to the league we’ve been playing in. I totally get that some members on this forum really don’t rate him, don’t like his football, don’t think anything will change if we go up, and want him gone but, I’m hoping such individuals (not aimed at you by the way) give their Warne out campaign a bit of a rest next season for at least a dozen games.
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25 minutes ago, Andicis said:
I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways.
Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further.
I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.
It’s nowhere near the first time this has been suggested and it’s not the first time I, and some others, have said it’s incredibly unlikely to happen. Nor should it. IF we do go up, none of us really know what it will be like next season and PW will deserved the chance to have a crack at it.
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11 minutes ago, Oldben said:
Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.
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On 12/04/2024 at 22:03, DiggerB said:
Really not looking forward to this one tomorrow. Sister-in-law, her boyfriend and her son will be in the away end. I’ve never met her bloke. They’re coming back to ours for the evening afterwards.
Please don’t lose!
Please don’t lose!
Please don’t lose!
Please don’t lose!
I assume you enjoyed your evening and trust you were suitably smug.😄
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59 minutes ago, tomsdubs said:
Or we don't sign him and find a better player? I want to go up an compete, we've got the resources.
What level of resources do we have to compete for someone that might be better?
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17 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:
Sibbo will be weighing up his options . I will be gutted if he is another one to go to Bristol city . I would love to know what has attracted Bird to go to them .
I would imagine it was a combination of money, guaranteed Championship football and the need for a change/new challenge. The club probably also needed to cash in on him and didn't try too hard to dissuade him.
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6 hours ago, CapeTownRams said:
Should be…..
but were u at Wycombe or Northampton..????😳😳
No chickens counted…
He’s a Pompey fan so wouldn’t have been at either Wycombe or Northampton. He’s probably only seen us when we’re decent and not when we’re poor.
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7 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said:
Not quite yet but almost. I’m hoping Bolton chuck in a loss on Tuesday and we beat Cambridge to get promoted but as long as it’s in our hands last day we’ll get promoted.
Slightly controversial but if we did get promoted, do you think there would be an open top bus parade and would you want a parade? Did we have one in the 80s for 3rd division promotion? Part of me thinks yes we should, the club was in ruins nearly extinct so we should celebrate coming back from the brink, but then the other part of me thinks we should never be at this level and this promotion shouldn’t be celebrated as an achievement alongside our others.
I don’t think an open top bus parade would be appropriate. Getting promoted would be cause for celebration but not this extent in my opinion unless of course, by some miracle, we end up winning the league. Then we’ll have a title to celebrate even if it is only the league one title.
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30 minutes ago, DerbyRevolution said:
Anyone else getting ahead of themselves and thinking about arrangements of celebrations post Carlisle?
Into Derby Saturday afternoon?
Open top bus parade Sunday afternoon or Monday evening?
No.
Even if we beat Cambridge I won’t be tempting fate (too many years of being a Derby fan I guess).I fully expect Bolton to win their two home games this week meaning it will all be decided on the last day ideally with us still a point ahead rather than one or two points behind.
Beat Cambridge and 3 or 4 nil up against Carlisle going into time added on and I might finally allow myself to believe. 😀
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15 minutes ago, InstaRam said:
Feels like we're walking in circles and maybe should have agreed to disagree right from the start but I'll give it a go trying to clarify.
I wrote Calamity Bradley AND Super Sonny to explain that I consider him very uneven. Then you got upset about it and decided it was rude because for some unknown reason I didn't get to count either his early disaster efforts or his latest craziness. I then used player ratings from footmob as a quick approximation because I felt it was enough for a forum post. If you want we can add weaknesses from who scored which are discipline, concentration and tackles. All are a good fit for how I define a calamity central defender.
On top of that, I've seen him make many more big mistakes than Cashin and Nelson who I think are the players I can compare to this season (I haven't seen any other defenders to the same extent off course). I think you'd might agree that he's guilty of some really crazy back passes this season, lost his head and lost concentration in some really important situations?
If you want, please come back with your definition of when the term can be used, so I will keep that in mind from now on. Other than that, I of course hope that Calamity Bradley never shows up again and that we only get to see Super Sonny for the rest of his career.
Whilst I still don’t particularly like name calling our own players, I realise that I did overreact in my part in allowing this spat continue. As you say, we should have left it at agreeing to disagreeing. Having said that, you are still missing my point that, by and large his calamity days were early in his time at Derby and he doesn’t make significantly more mistakes than any other player any more. Therefore, the use of the name “calamity” should probably be dropped now. Also, as I have said before, the player ratings didn’t prove anything. In fact they simply supported the theory that, whilst certainly not as good as either Cashin or Nelson, he isn’t so far off to justify the level of criticism some level at him. If you’re going to quote these ratings to support your argument then I don’t know how you can fail to notice that his rating was only 0.4 lower than Nelson who we all rate highly.
Yes, I agree he was guilty of some crazy/poor back passes at the start of the season (I can’t say that I can recall any since hence why I’ve suggested we should move on from that label).
Regarding my definition of when the term can be used well, ideally never. As I say, I really don’t like name calling any of our current players. Why does anyone feel the need to?
As I think you’re probably saying, time to move on now and for us both to let it drop.
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16 minutes ago, Boycie said:
Just be careful if we score and you celebrate, you might get a thump in the boat race.
Or worse still, a kick in the cox(swain). 😫
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2 minutes ago, De22Ram said:
Its popular and in high demand because its cheaper and people can stand if they like, if anything they should be lowering the east stand prices inline with the south stand! 🤷🏻♂️
Surely, in general with most grounds, the seats along the side are often more expensive because they afford a better view of the whole pitch than either behind the goal or in the corners? Therefore why would you (or why should you) reduce the prices?
I agree with previous posters that having the away fans sandwiched between the South Stand and those towards the southern end of the East Stand is actually better for the atmosphere as it probably increases the banter between rival supporters and, to an extent, allow the east stand singers and south standers to feed off each other.
As for “looking better” isn’t that just for the cameras? Do we care that much what it looks like on TV?
It’s an interesting idea but I’d leave well alone not least because of the logistical challenges it might create.
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1 hour ago, InstaRam said:
After all, unlike you, I have presented some kind of objective assessment in which the mistakes are included as a part in any case. You are welcome to present evidence for your opinion that Bradley would not be more likely to make mistakes. Besides that, the fact that he can't handle playing in a back four is another indication. He needs Cashin and Nelson on each side of him so they can carry him. I believe that Bradley has committed more gross mistakes than Cashin and Nelson this season, and after all, he has spent a significant amount of time on the bench from which he has not had the chance to make mistakes. When Bradley is put in a man-on-man situation with a striker or forced to do something more advanced with the ball than pass a few yards to Cashin, I feel like anything can happen. Similarly, when he stands and wrestles with someone or can't win a header because, according to the coach, he had a cold the week before.
And Northampton away was not that long ago either.
To clarify, what is your objective case to support your assertion that he is still worthy of the title calamity Bradley?
Not whether he is as good as Nelson or Cashin (I don’t think he is and I have never said he is).
Not based on opinions which, by definition, are subjective not objective.
Not on his record for the whole season. I said right at the start “since he’s put those early blunders behind him”.
Not that he is more likely to make a mistake than Cashin or Nelson (although this is a subjective opinion in itself but I think is true) but that he’s more likely to such an extent to justify the label calamity.
I also think he has made more mistakes (per game time) than either Cashin and Nelson (although I suspect neither of us have the actual stats). Out of the three, he would be a distant third in my pecking order simply because he isn’t such a good footballer and makes mistakes (as all footballers do) but not enough now to justify such name calling.
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37 minutes ago, InstaRam said:
After all, unlike you, I have presented some kind of objective assessment in which the mistakes are included as a part in any case. You are welcome to present evidence for your opinion that Bradley would not be more likely to make mistakes. Besides that, the fact that he can't handle playing in a back four is another indication. He needs Cashin and Nelson on each side of him so they can carry him. I believe that Bradley has committed more gross mistakes than Cashin and Nelson this season, and after all, he has spent a significant amount of time on the bench from which he has not had the chance to make mistakes. When Bradley is put in a man-on-man situation with a striker or forced to do something more advanced with the ball than pass a few yards to Cashin, I feel like anything can happen. Similarly, when he stands and wrestles with someone or can't win a header because, according to the coach, he had a cold the week before.
And Northampton away was not that long ago either.
LOL. I'm not sure how your argument is more objective than mine unless you're referring to the somewhat marginal assessments you provided. Those assessments are also, presumably, based on overall performance and not necessarily the likelihood of him making blunders. As I said earlier, if Nelson is assessed at only 0.4 better than Bradley then it's a very fine margin between hero and zero.
I don't have any evidence that he is less likely to make mistakes than the other players, the same as you don't have "evidence" that he will.
I totally accept that you don't rate him or that he's not the upgrade on Davies you were hoping for. I just think the calamity label attached is uncalled for.
Where do you think we'll finish this season?
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It’s not “irrelevant ”if we win on Saturday (unless both Posh and Bolton drop points). It means the chances of us failing to go up would be very remote but, still possible. That’s all I’m saying.