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30 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

I mean including the matches they’ve played.

I really don’t get this “they deserve to go up” mullarky. Whoever goes up will deserve to simply because they have accumulated more points than at least 22 other teams in the league (or have a better goal difference). That might be because they ended the season well, started the season well or were consistent throughout. 

Just now, TheTinMan said:

Weren't good enough or didn't have the bottle? Because we were good enough against Bolton and Pompey. We got ourselves into a very healthy position. Time after time this season when they have the weight of expectation on them against a (respectfully) lesser side like Northampton or Wycombe they fold. 

Didn't we show "bottle" against Bolton and Pompey?

Stating the obvious, if we fail to go up it will simply because sometimes (rarely) we were good enough and showed bottle (whatever that means) but not often enough.

1 minute ago, ollycutts1982 said:

Not a doom merchant but the game management is shocking, play with no urgency or tempo. Terrible substitutions and tactical decisions. It has been the same all season. I remember Warne saying he loves a good throw in yet we must be the worst in the league at them  

We’re second in the league but on the whole a forgettable season with very few highlights. How many promotion worthy performances have we put in???

So so so disappointing. To say we have a team who know what it takes to get out the league and fail to take advantage against teams like Northampton and Wycombe is inexcusable. 

I think at times there was too much urgency and tempo. There was a distinct lack of control and composure.

I agree with your second and third paragraphs. It's not all down to the manager though as some seem to be constantly suggesting. Very much shared responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

3 minutes ago, Mckram said:

Bolton have to play arguably the best two sides in the league in Portsmouth and Peterborough.

If Bolton lose on Saturday and we win, it’s back in our hands…plenty of twists and turns yet. 

Trying to look on the bright side, even if Bolton manage a draw on Saturday and we win, it will be back in our hands again. 

4 minutes ago, Eoghan1884 said:

Have to somehow win our last 3 games and hope Bolton and Peterborough don’t win all their games. They can even draw one and if we keep our GD higher we will go up. Need a big performance Saturday. 

If we will our last three games and they both draw one of their games goal difference won't come into it.

1 minute ago, TomTom92 said:

If Bolton win their last 6 including Portsmouth and Peterborough they deserve to go up. That’s the only positive mind. 
 
People moaning at Warne, did he ask for us to miss 3 sitters in the first half? Granted the second half was toothless but we should’ve been out of sight.

No bottle whatsoever.

If Bolton win their last 6 then I think we should complain to the EFL as they should only have 4 games less. 😀

Seriously though, if they win all of their remaining game then of course they will deserve to go up. Same as if they only draw v Pompey and we win our last 3 games (not looking likely based on tonight's performance) then we'll deserve to go up.

1 minute ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

boooooo.  bottle job b*******.  Might get a goal if they have 10 days off.  I can take a defeat .  Can't stomach lack of effort and b******* twice in a month.  

I don't think there any real lack of effort. Just a lack of control, composure, playing any decent football and getting some of the basics right.

The consolation is my predictor only had us down for a draw. We really need a win on Saturday and for Pompey to get something at Bolton. ☹️

1 minute ago, robglosta said:

Not great is it. No point drawing this, go for it. 

Obviously we could do with a win but there would (literally) be a point in getting a draw. It could come down to single point.

There just doesn’t seem to be any control or composure.

2 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Why is it whenever we play a team who come off the back of an extra cup game, who should be knackered, we make them look like world beaters?

Slight exaggeration, but we look crap! 

It’s not unique to teams that have come off the back of an extra cup game.

I hope failing to make the most of these good opportunities Wycombe keep presenting us with doesn’t come back to bite us.

Just now, TomTom92 said:

If we take 6 points and Bolton beat Pompey i can't lie that'll be deflating. I know 6 points keeps it in our hands, but the sooner Bolton drop points to give us a significant gap the better.

I won’t be deflated, just relieved we won our two games. 

3 hours ago, Topram said:

Win tonight an I’ll start believing, won’t be easy just hope they’re on a downer after Sunday.

Think Bolton beat Pompey on Saturday but drop points elsewhere, would be nice for Oxford to get something from Posh aswell

As long as we back it up with a win on Saturday.

Six points from these two games and we’ll be strong favourites. Four points we’ll probably be slight favourites still. Anything less and it will be in the balance.

10 hours ago, YouRams said:

3 horse race with Barnsley losing. Got a funny feeling about Peterborough, 6 left to play for them and 4 very winnable games, if they beat Oxford too they'll be right in it.

Yep, whilst not mathematically out of it, I think Barnsley have blown it now. Posh do have a chance but, they probably need to win five of their remaining games to catch and overtake both us and Bolton. As we have seen, every game is winnable but they could all be lost or drawn. To be honest, I can’t see both us and Bolton collapsing so Posh’s chances are probably slim.

5 minutes ago, DiggerB said:

TBF I don’t mind that. Imagine if he’d spent ages waxing how great we looked. Players might think they’d got 3 points in the bag already!

You beat me too it. How often have we heard "he [insert name of player] or they were amazing in training" only for it not to happen on match day.

19 hours ago, NottsRam77 said:

My mate sent me this….

amusing and easy to digest lol

 

Who sets the puzzles to be solved by the miners and how much time and energy does that take? At a time when climate change is one the biggest threats to humanity in general, who on earth thought it would be a good idea to issue something of value for solving a puzzle (not even creating anything) that uses such vast amounts of energy (until/unless they only use renewable sources)? 

15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I've worked in accountancy and auditing for 27 years.

I wasn't suggesting Charlton wouldn't file their accounts.

Was just pointing out Derby have not filed their for over 6 years and nothing has become of it, the reason being they would not be struck off because their creditors would object to the striking off application m

Well you started off by suggesting Charlton wouldn’t have to file their accounts on the basis that they “should” rather than “must” do so. As for Derby, surely the reason nothing has ever come of it is because we went into administration which changed the picture somewhat. But I accept your much greater experience if you’re suggesting there wouldn’t be any consequences for Derby (or it’s directors) if the original company was still trading but they still hadn’t filed any accounts for six years. (As a slight aside, Derby went into administration in 2021 so really we’re only talking about 3 years not 6) I find it hard to believe but, if you say so.

Out of interest, of the hundreds you could name, how many were start ups that never got off the ground (and therefore a little bit different to an operating limited company) and therefore being struck off was of no consequence?

3 hours ago, bimmerman said:

Hear me out

Alex Hartridge is leaving exeter this summer on a free. Has vast experience, young, plays the Hollywood balls that don't come off at exeter as their players arnt on the same page a lot of the time, good with his head, good character, f*** ugly so take a few smashes to his face from time to time. Can play in a back 4 or 3

Would be a solid backup regardless of division. 

 

Never heard of him so I checked out his profile. He’s played plenty of games but nothing above Exeter at league one and league two level (apart from National League South level). As for playing Hollywood balls that don’t come off because the other players aren’t on the same page, that reminds me of when people say “great cross but there was no one in the middle to meet it”. Means it wasn’t a great cross if it was into an area where none of your team mates are.

Might be OK though for all I know. The only time I would have seen him play is if he played against Derby.

17 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I could tell you hundreds of people that have set up limited companies, never filed any accounts, had the company struck off and never faced any criminal charges.

DCFC were filing accounts right up until 2018, none filed since then.

Hundreds? Seriously? What circles do you mix in? 
 

I’m not surprised that hardly anyone actually faces “criminal charges”. I only copy and pasted what it said on the Gov.UK website that it is a criminal offence. I would imagine the overwhelming majority just receive fines and may just have their company struck off eventually. It sounds a bit like speeding. Speeding is a criminal offence but most people just receive a fixed penalty notice I reckon. If you don’t pay your penalty or continue to offend (clocking up more penalty points -akin to continuing to fail to file your accounts) the consequences become more serious.
 

But that doesn’t alter the fact that accounts “must” be filed and not “should” be as you stated. In DCFC‘s case, I suspect, as I said earlier, that our administration superseded any further action.

In Charlton’s case (and any other company) I don’t believe they can continually chose not to bother filing their accounts as you were suggesting without significant consequences.

14 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Derby are still in a far stronger position than Bolton. Not only do we have a point advantage, we have easier games and a better goal difference.

Even if we lose to Wycombe, Bolton will drop two points somewhere and if it comes down to GD, we'll be fine as we'll probably add another +7 (at least) from the final three games. Bolton won't be +8 over the next four games. No chance.

 

I love your new found positivity BUT, I wouldn't quite describe it as a "far stronger" position. The gap is only one point and the goal difference is only +2.

The next six days are immense. By next Sunday we could be anywhere between 2 points behind (with Bolton still having a game in hand) and our goal difference advantage overturned to 7 points clear with a healthy goal difference. My gut feeling is:

                                          Played        GD       Points

Derby                                    44           +36         86      (draw at Wycombe and beat Orient by a single goal)

Bolton                                    43           +33         82     (draw with Pompey)

2 minutes ago, Crewton said:

They're criminal offences, but the penalties are no more punitive than it is for littering, unless persistent breaches lead to personal court appearance for Directors or a striking-off petition against the company. The damage is more reputational, but in football that's a minor irritant.

Fair point but, kind of supports what I was saying. If DCFC hadn’t gone into administration but still chose not to file their accounts since 2018 I think that would count as persistent breaches which wouldn’t be allowed to continue without more significant penalties (including some kind of sanctions from the EFL I would imagine).

37 minutes ago, Charliegeorge1962 said:

Wycombe, Orient, Cambridge and Carlisle 

If we cannot take all 3 pts off those teams whilst in poll position for the autos then we don't deserve to go up. 

Let's put Wycombe to the sword and put more pressure on Bolton!

 

That is just nuts. So if we only win three of them we don’t deserve to go up? 

Yes we are in the box seat for the second automatic promotion place but I fear at least two of those (Orient and Wycombe) are not going to be easy.

On my predictor, I only had Bolton down as drawing yesterday but, despite their win, I still have us down to pip them. I have us down for a draw against Wycombe so, a win would make up for my incorrect prediction in the Bristol v Bolton game.

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

DCFC stopped filing their accounts after 2018 and are in breach.

However, I assume not struck as there would be objections.

I thought you’d said they had never filed any accounts?

Not filing your accounts is a criminal offence (as per the following extract from Gov.UK) so, to say you “should” is surely a little misleading.

I guess in DCFC’s case, it was all overtaken by the subsequent administration. I can’t imagine if we hadn’t gone into administration we would still be allowed to be in breach after all this time without some kind of sanctions.

Not filing your confirmation statements, annual returns or accounts is a criminal offence - and directors or LLP designated members could be personally fined in the criminal courts

9 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Your understanding is wrong. Every limited company SHOULD file accounts at Companies House.

You're correct that should they not file accounts that Companies House can apply to strike the company off the register, however, anyone can object to the striking off and, on the assumption that the business has creditors, they would almost most certainly object to the striking off.

I think you are probably getting confused with a group company taking an exemption from audit if the group of accounts is audited.

Maybe I am getting confused but this is what it says on the Companies House website:

each year, every company must file a set of accounts with Companies House, which show how a company has performed over the accounting period. This is required whether the company is trading or not.

And this is what is says on another government website:

All companies must send their accounts and reports to Companies House every year, whether:

private or public

large or small

trading or non-trading

If you submit accounts late, the law imposes an automatic penalty. The period allowed to file your accounts depends on whether these are your first accounts since incorporation or subsequent accounts.

I know anyone can object to a company being struck off but surely a creditor isn’t going to let it stop there and if they did and the company continues not to file their accounts, isn’t the penalty doubled each year or something? (admittedly small fry compared to the companies likely other debts).

I guess we are both right. It clearly states that companies MUST file their accounts. Technically they don’t have to but, as with all legal requirements and laws, if you breach/ignore them there will be consequences. A fine might not deter a club (or it’s parent company) from filing their accounts but I think the EFL rules (section 16) state that sanctions will be applied if they don’t file their accounts with the registrar of companies (Companies House?). 

Anyway, going back to the original point, didn’t DCFC file their accounts (and therefore were not in breach - well not until administration) because they were part of a larger group? Charlton have to file their accounts.

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

There's a relatively high number if clubs who are showing as overdue. 7 Championship clubs the last time I checked.

At this time of the year, I believe the backlog is around 7 days before the accounts are processed. I wouldn't put any into the suspicious pile until 2 weeks have passed (1 more week to go).

Fair point and nothing to get too excited about just yet then. Doesn't alter the fact though that if a company is noted on companies House as "accounts overdue' they can't just ignore it and fail to lodge them. It just seems a number of clubs may have lodged them but they haven't been uploaded yet.

14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

They SHOULD be filed. Derby County are living proof that they don't have to be filed.

Likelihood is though if they aren't filed, sooner or later someone will pull the plug.

I don’t think that is strictly true. According to my understanding a company MUST file its accounts or risk a fine or even being struck off. I guess DCFC didn’t have to file individual accounts because they were part of a group 🤷🏻‍♂️. I assume Charlton are not and therefore their accounts are showing as overdue. I don’t think they can just ignore that and never file their accounts.