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14 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Derby are still in a far stronger position than Bolton. Not only do we have a point advantage, we have easier games and a better goal difference.

Even if we lose to Wycombe, Bolton will drop two points somewhere and if it comes down to GD, we'll be fine as we'll probably add another +7 (at least) from the final three games. Bolton won't be +8 over the next four games. No chance.

 

I love your new found positivity BUT, I wouldn't quite describe it as a "far stronger" position. The gap is only one point and the goal difference is only +2.

The next six days are immense. By next Sunday we could be anywhere between 2 points behind (with Bolton still having a game in hand) and our goal difference advantage overturned to 7 points clear with a healthy goal difference. My gut feeling is:

                                          Played        GD       Points

Derby                                    44           +36         86      (draw at Wycombe and beat Orient by a single goal)

Bolton                                    43           +33         82     (draw with Pompey)

2 minutes ago, Crewton said:

They're criminal offences, but the penalties are no more punitive than it is for littering, unless persistent breaches lead to personal court appearance for Directors or a striking-off petition against the company. The damage is more reputational, but in football that's a minor irritant.

Fair point but, kind of supports what I was saying. If DCFC hadn’t gone into administration but still chose not to file their accounts since 2018 I think that would count as persistent breaches which wouldn’t be allowed to continue without more significant penalties (including some kind of sanctions from the EFL I would imagine).

37 minutes ago, Charliegeorge1962 said:

Wycombe, Orient, Cambridge and Carlisle 

If we cannot take all 3 pts off those teams whilst in poll position for the autos then we don't deserve to go up. 

Let's put Wycombe to the sword and put more pressure on Bolton!

 

That is just nuts. So if we only win three of them we don’t deserve to go up? 

Yes we are in the box seat for the second automatic promotion place but I fear at least two of those (Orient and Wycombe) are not going to be easy.

On my predictor, I only had Bolton down as drawing yesterday but, despite their win, I still have us down to pip them. I have us down for a draw against Wycombe so, a win would make up for my incorrect prediction in the Bristol v Bolton game.

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

DCFC stopped filing their accounts after 2018 and are in breach.

However, I assume not struck as there would be objections.

I thought you’d said they had never filed any accounts?

Not filing your accounts is a criminal offence (as per the following extract from Gov.UK) so, to say you “should” is surely a little misleading.

I guess in DCFC’s case, it was all overtaken by the subsequent administration. I can’t imagine if we hadn’t gone into administration we would still be allowed to be in breach after all this time without some kind of sanctions.

Not filing your confirmation statements, annual returns or accounts is a criminal offence - and directors or LLP designated members could be personally fined in the criminal courts

9 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Your understanding is wrong. Every limited company SHOULD file accounts at Companies House.

You're correct that should they not file accounts that Companies House can apply to strike the company off the register, however, anyone can object to the striking off and, on the assumption that the business has creditors, they would almost most certainly object to the striking off.

I think you are probably getting confused with a group company taking an exemption from audit if the group of accounts is audited.

Maybe I am getting confused but this is what it says on the Companies House website:

each year, every company must file a set of accounts with Companies House, which show how a company has performed over the accounting period. This is required whether the company is trading or not.

And this is what is says on another government website:

All companies must send their accounts and reports to Companies House every year, whether:

private or public

large or small

trading or non-trading

If you submit accounts late, the law imposes an automatic penalty. The period allowed to file your accounts depends on whether these are your first accounts since incorporation or subsequent accounts.

I know anyone can object to a company being struck off but surely a creditor isn’t going to let it stop there and if they did and the company continues not to file their accounts, isn’t the penalty doubled each year or something? (admittedly small fry compared to the companies likely other debts).

I guess we are both right. It clearly states that companies MUST file their accounts. Technically they don’t have to but, as with all legal requirements and laws, if you breach/ignore them there will be consequences. A fine might not deter a club (or it’s parent company) from filing their accounts but I think the EFL rules (section 16) state that sanctions will be applied if they don’t file their accounts with the registrar of companies (Companies House?). 

Anyway, going back to the original point, didn’t DCFC file their accounts (and therefore were not in breach - well not until administration) because they were part of a larger group? Charlton have to file their accounts.

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

There's a relatively high number if clubs who are showing as overdue. 7 Championship clubs the last time I checked.

At this time of the year, I believe the backlog is around 7 days before the accounts are processed. I wouldn't put any into the suspicious pile until 2 weeks have passed (1 more week to go).

Fair point and nothing to get too excited about just yet then. Doesn't alter the fact though that if a company is noted on companies House as "accounts overdue' they can't just ignore it and fail to lodge them. It just seems a number of clubs may have lodged them but they haven't been uploaded yet.

14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

They SHOULD be filed. Derby County are living proof that they don't have to be filed.

Likelihood is though if they aren't filed, sooner or later someone will pull the plug.

I don’t think that is strictly true. According to my understanding a company MUST file its accounts or risk a fine or even being struck off. I guess DCFC didn’t have to file individual accounts because they were part of a group 🤷🏻‍♂️. I assume Charlton are not and therefore their accounts are showing as overdue. I don’t think they can just ignore that and never file their accounts.

9 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

the most exciting way to go up is through the play offs. 

But the most heartbreaking is to fail in the play offs.

If you could guarantee promotion I’d gladly take our day of triumph at Wembley.

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

But the parent company filing their accounts could tell you very little, hence why when Derby County Football Club Limited failed to file their accounts none of us knew the true scale of the problem

But even so, the accounts have to be filed. Charlton Athletic’s accounts are showing as overdue and so they have they have to be filed.

56 minutes ago, CapeTownRams said:

What’s best for us ..??…. Wycombe winning or losing against Posh in the final ??

I don't care and I don't think it matters. All I want is exhausting extra time and each team kicking lumps out of each other.

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

The crazy thing is, yes they can, The Derby County Football Club Limited accounts have never been filed!

The company clubs trade under or the parent company they are part of have to file their accounts.

29 minutes ago, alram said:

i think it should be an instant points deduction if it happens.

 

there is simply no excuse. they are not only breaking company law but they are almost always hiding something.

The crazy thing is, they can't hide it forever. 

15 hours ago, DerbyRevolution said:

I would imagine that whoever is in 2nd place ahead of the final day will be the team to go up, I don’t see anyone in that position slipping up even if it’s Bolton or Peterborough as the other would probably have nothing to play for in that scenario. 

Not necessarily. They may be wanting to ensure they finish 3rd or 4th rather than 5th or 6th. 
 

If Bolton were only ahead of us by just one point I would imagine Bolton fans would be feeling a tad nervous. Even more so if they were only ahead on goal difference.

44 minutes ago, ram59 said:

I'll be interested to see how Charlton's apparent spending spree affects their accounts. 

They still haven't published last year's accounts, but had an operating loss of around £10m for 21/22.

Never a good sign when your accounts are overdue at Companies House.

1 minute ago, MadAmster said:

Just thrown a tenner their way. Hope everybody chips in with their bit. 100 £1 donations is still £100. 100 tenners is even better 🙂

Same here. COYR

2 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Interesting (perhaps only to me as my kids are playing on devices at the moment) if Peterborough do that, they would be second starting the last game of the season.

We'd beat Carlisle and they would draw with Bolton.

Of course, as you say, it’s all waffle. Just because we beat Orient 3:0 away doesn’t mean we’ll beat them at home. Just because we could only draw at home v Wycombe doesn’t mean we won’t beat them away (or lose 😮). In a football scenario (especially when you take home and away into account), past performances (and results) is in no way a reliable indicator of future games.

Whatever happens, I sincerely hope it doesn’t come down to us needing to beat Carlisle (of course we should but, stranger things have happened this season) AND Posh v Bolton being a draw. I’m not sure my heart could take it.

9 hours ago, DerbyRevolution said:

The way the points are now I can’t see GD coming into play, and this would only really help us if we’re 2 or 3 points ahead going into Carlisle and would give us the cushion of having an off day. 

Bolton have Shrewsbury and Port Vale at home where they could easily eradicate our superior GD. 
 

Not sure where that leaves us in terms of points realistically needed to get over the line. 

 

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

I thought jasper carrot was funny when i was 12, i think that's about as close as I got.

Benny from Crossroads was my hero 😀

24 minutes ago, Mick Harford said:

 

I'm going off what my Brum supporting mates have said, but they will lose a few high earners in the summer, people like Hogan, plus they have the money from naming rights coming in , but their main source of optimism is that they will be being run in  a better way than the previous lot (How that tallies with getting Wayne in and then sacking him after a few months I don't know)

You admit to having Brum supporters as mates. 😮

3 hours ago, Mick Harford said:

Unfortunately aren't these figures pre-takeover, so next season they will look a lot better.

Shame as I detest Brum after how they have acted.

I'm being a bit dim. Will their income and costs (and therefore net losses) change much just because they have new owners? 

45 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

It would be anomalous if it wasn’t anonymous 

Damn predictive text.

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

DC will be painfully aware of the reckless disregard Couhig showed for our club’s future. Wonder if Couhig will offer him hospitality and whether DC will accept it   If I were DC I’d take my plane to Dublin and award myself a free rams TV pass 

If I was DC I’d accept the hospitality and gorge myself on as much as I could manage. I’d also make sure I “accidentally” trod some ketchup (or similar) into the carpets an anomalously damage the toilets. 😀

3 hours ago, jono said:

I take your point; 👍 though from a motivational point of view I’d really hope the players all have enough now to carry themselves through considering the battles they’ve fought and the aroma of tangible success that might now be coming from the kitchen such that they can almost sense it if not touch it. 

Fair comment although I don’t think motivation is something you can instil and then leave. I reckon it’s a constant demand on a manager’s capabilities (in pretty much all walks of life). 

9 hours ago, jono said:

At this point the manager has little influence. This is about the spirit he has already built in the team over the last 12 months. Bar some in game tweaks, it’s the11 on the pitch, their personal strengths and perseverance that will get us over the line. It’s guts, effort and self belief (and 30k at PPS when they are wobbling ) 

I don’t agree. At this point in the season the managers job is to make adjustments to accommodate injuries, continue to make tactical decisions based on the set up of the opposition and how individual games are panning out (yes I know some would question Warne’s ability in this respect but it’s still a job for him to do), and continue to maintain the spirit in the team by lifting them if we’ve had a poor game and keeping their feet on the ground if we’ve had a good one. I think this period of the season is just as important (if not more so) for all concerned: the management team, the players, and the fans.

5 hours ago, DB83 said:

Whatever anyone says, this is a tricky game. We couldn’t beat Wycombe at home, why should we expect to beat them away?? They are no mugs. We lost there last season, after all.

A win here would be a massive boost though. So, would I take a draw right now?? No. We can and maybe should win. But nothing is guaranteed. They would love to beat us, and may be on a high after Sunday. The uncertainty is why we turn up every week though, right??

I agree we shouldn’t assume it will be easy BUT, it’s more than three months since we played them at home and, whilst it was a less than convincing performance, it took a penalty in the 98th minute to deny us all three points. Also, football isn’t as simple as that. We beat Posh away but they played us off the park at our place, we lost to Oxford at home but, apart from the first 15 minutes, I seem to recall we were the better team at their place (although we did leave it late to get the goals). I’m sure there are more examples. Last season they were on the fringes of the play offs for part of the season I think whereas this year they are nothing more and nothing less than mid table.

I’m obviously hoping for a comfortable win but fear a hard battle and potential dent to our push for the autos. A lot may depend on their Wembley exploits. Will it take a lot out of them or will they still be riding high and full of confidence? Will they win on Sunday but still be suffering from a hangover on Wednesday or will they lose and come at us with a point to prove? There really is no telling.