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Not that it really means anything but Rotherham were relegated by 4pts in the 2018/19 season and by 2pts in the 2020/21 season.  Last season PW left them towards the end of September in 8th place and they managed to stay up with 50pts.  This season, their first full season without PW in a long time, they are currently a massive 20pts adrift at the bottom.
Normally wage budget is a good indicator of where you'll finish at the end of the season and Rotherham prove this time and again.  Didn't Nigel Clough hail Burton Albions success at remaining in the Championship for one his greatest achievements?  I don't know what Rotherhams Lg1 budget is like compared to the rest, but for PW to get them promoted 3x (and us 1x hopefully!) and keep them in contention throughout a Championship season shouldn't be underestimated imho.
I did say that normally wage budget is a good indicator of where you'll finish, but I think the circumstances of us coming out of administration counter that argument a little.  Did LR have a choice of player or did he just get who was available?  PW came in and inherited a squad of older players that needed to be managed and younger players that needed time to grow - one of his first interviews highlighted a lack of players in their prime.  
During his time with us his hands have been tied financially and he's managed an injury prone squad to the brink of automatic promotion.  I personally think if we go up at the weekend we're ahead of schedule.  Next season would have been his first legitimate attempt with a bit of financial muscle - hence DC giving him a 4yr deal.
Next season is going to be tough, we aren't an Ipswich who built a squad over several seasons and just need to add a few players to go again.  Its another rebuild with limited funds, we were warned at the recent Fans Forum that we'd be looking for stability first and foremost and to me that means just avoiding relegation next season.  Unless we get some outside funding I won't be shouting for PWs head at Christmas if we're struggling.  Bottom 6 at the end of the season would be a good building block to kick on from if we've got a core of players we can then add to. 
We're not throwing money around risking our existence like we used to.  Slow, steady and realistic progress is the way forwards.

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But people do watch all of those for entertainment, and take part in those to compete in what is essentially a game. They're not not entertainment because you don't personally enjoy them.  
I don't see how you can see football as being anything other than entertainment. The entertainment of the people playing it and the people watching it. That's all sport is at its core.
Do people saying all sport is just a "physical activity" pull up a chair in the gym and watch people go for it on a treadmill? 

I tend not to put too much faith in anything Stephen Pearce says 

But you are there for entertainment aren't you? You're there to watch a sport you love, a team you've got a connection to etc etc.
I appreciate this has become a somewhat philosophical debate now but the purpose of sport is for entertainment as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise it would be called exercise. It's a multi-billion dollar global industry because it is primarily entertainment. 
Fair points - but you admit in your second sentence there but, for fans, entertainment is a big part of it. 
So why are people struggling to grasp the idea that some people do not enjoy the way we play under Warne? 
I appreciate as well as anyone that football is a game of opinions but once again people on this forum are getting absolute pelters because they don't rate Warne or don't like the style of football. I feel a little bit like @Bris Vegascould type "we should sign some players" and the pitchforks would come out 😂

But people do watch all of those for entertainment, and take part in those to compete in what is essentially a game. They're not not entertainment because you don't personally enjoy them.  
I don't see how you can see football as being anything other than entertainment. The entertainment of the people playing it and the people watching it. That's all sport is at its core.
Do people saying all sport is just a "physical activity" pull up a chair in the gym and watch people go for it on a treadmill? 

I agree with everything you've put here, and absolutely, I hope to be entertained - and, I may be stating the obvious, but if given the choice, it ranks thus:
Win and play well
Win and play not so well
Lose and play well
What I take issue with is people's stupid expectations. We had the same under Mac when we were playing well AND winning. To pinch a phrase from Alpha a long time back, we weren't winning-y enough.
I take issue with the ones that don't accept that we have those things tying a bit of a hand behind Warne's back. 
 

And that's fine, by the way! I'm not saying it's not. It's just your own personal philosophy. For me its high up the list.
So the bit in bold is essentially where I'm disagreeing with you and with others. You might not expect to be, but surely you hope to be?
I've got plenty of sympathy for Warne re: all the reasons that we've played the way we have. Budget, injuries, quality of the players, the nature of the division, etc etc.
But surely we have to eventually strive for better?
I would imagine that if you asked Paul Warne himself he would even say that he would like us to be playing better football than this.
He deserves to be given the opportunity to do that, and I hope the club back him to do so, but you can understand why some supporters don't have much faith that Warne can deliver better football than this based on a) his time with Rotherham and b) his time so far with us!!

And that's fine, by the way! I'm not saying it's not. It's just your own personal philosophy. For me its high up the list.
So the bit in bold is essentially where I'm disagreeing with you and with others. You might not expect to be, but surely you hope to be?
I've got plenty of sympathy for Warne re: all the reasons that we've played the way we have. Budget, injuries, quality of the players, the nature of the division, etc etc.
But surely we have to eventually strive for better?
I would imagine that if you asked Paul Warne himself he would even say that he would like us to be playing better football than this.
He deserves to be given the opportunity to do that, and I hope the club back him to do so, but you can understand why some supporters don't have much faith that Warne can deliver better football than this based on a) his time with Rotherham and b) his time so far with us!!

But people do watch all of those for entertainment, and take part in those to compete in what is essentially a game. They're not not entertainment because you don't personally enjoy them.  
I don't see how you can see football as being anything other than entertainment. The entertainment of the people playing it and the people watching it. That's all sport is at its core.
Do people saying all sport is just a "physical activity" pull up a chair in the gym and watch people go for it on a treadmill? 

Well cricket's torture.

I tell you what - if Paul Warne gets us into the UEFA Conference League I will write you a 5000 word apology letter explaining, in fine detail, how I am wrong and you are right! 😂

What do you think competitive sport is?

I can't believe that there is another club in the world where, in our posistion, a seemingly sizable section of the fanbase would want the manager kicked out.
Yes I suppose it would be nice to watch Jim Smith or peak Mac type football every week, but , how can I put this?
We've got no feckin' money. Yes we may have a higher wage budget than many in this league, (or not, I don't know) but given the restraints and time frame he's had to work in I think P.W's done a crackig job.

I think most Rams fans would concede there's some doubts around his pedigree for the Championship, but look at what he's done most lately, at a time where we we told the team would be dead on its legs. Look at the form he's delivered and this despite the lads dropping like flies at times.

Assuming we finish the job on Saturday, he WILL be given his chance to show that he has the game to prosper at Championship level and I think that's fair enough. Whether or not he will succeed, of that I'm less certain, but I think he's more than earned the right to prove his doubters wrong, or not, as the case may be. 

I tend not to put too much faith in anything Stephen Pearce says 

The bloke is a league one promotion specialist who was hired to get us out of league one and has successfully got us out of league one
Love Paul Warne
Love bobble hats
Love him being a bit of a weirdo
Love s****, hard to watch, un-entertaining football
Love more points and away wins than a club that founded the football league over 100 years ago has ever had in one season
Love getting out of league one in just two seasons off the back of a huge crisis
YOU RAMS 🐏❤️

Our issue for many seasons was that we were a soft touch in physical games away from home. There were certain fixtures I used to dread because we had little chance of coping and would concede possession from start to finish.
Warne and the staff have addressed this, albeit in a low league. We are more robust now and competitive in every league game.
No team in League One has played good football consistently this year. That’s largely down to a lack of quality.  

Hi Duracell, we have a pair of ideal seats for you, we picked the seats because we're close to friends on the opposite side of the aisle.
We're stair 41, row kk, seats 398,399 immediately next to the aisle in the lower east in line with the edge of the centre circle on the south stand side of the half way line. Row kk is about 4 rows down from the entry stairs and the seats are on the right as you walk down to them.
We could meet you at the bottom of stair 41 in the concourse or you can just let me know your seat numbers.

The question of whether this has been a "good" season is really interesting to me.
Statistically speaking it certainly has been. How can anyone argue that a promotion season (fingers crossed) isn't a good season?
And yet I would say that I enjoyed the McClaren season, the Lampard, maybe even the Rowett season, more than this one.
Why? Maybe my own personal enjoyment from football comes more from what I've seen happen over the 90 mins as opposed to the result.
I think what this season has done has made every Derby fan, whether they realise it or not, question whether they prefer the result or the football being played. 

The question of whether this has been a "good" season is really interesting to me.
Statistically speaking it certainly has been. How can anyone argue that a promotion season (fingers crossed) isn't a good season?
And yet I would say that I enjoyed the McClaren season, the Lampard, maybe even the Rowett season, more than this one.
Why? Maybe my own personal enjoyment from football comes more from what I've seen happen over the 90 mins as opposed to the result.
I think what this season has done has made every Derby fan, whether they realise it or not, question whether they prefer the result or the football being played. 

The question of whether this has been a "good" season is really interesting to me.
Statistically speaking it certainly has been. How can anyone argue that a promotion season (fingers crossed) isn't a good season?
And yet I would say that I enjoyed the McClaren season, the Lampard, maybe even the Rowett season, more than this one.
Why? Maybe my own personal enjoyment from football comes more from what I've seen happen over the 90 mins as opposed to the result.
I think what this season has done has made every Derby fan, whether they realise it or not, question whether they prefer the result or the football being played.