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I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.

I assume you’re referring to this bit:
”Under that approach financial fair play rules operate by reference to the failure to comply with financial restrictions, not by any analysis of the degree to which any overspending by clubs has had the effect of improving the performance of an offending club in competition. Excessive spending on players is clearly designed to achieve an enhancement of sporting performance, but whether in practice it does enable a particular club at a particular point in time to achieve better results than it would have achieved if it had complied with the rules is practically impossible to assess. Even more difficult to assess would be the other counter-factual, namely whether competitor clubs would have performed better if they too had been permitted to overspend to the same degree. The principle of fairness and equal treatment can only be applied in this context by measuring the degree of overspending, recognising that any substantial breach may directly affect the competitive position of the offending club, to the detriment of other clubs in the same competition.”
Which honestly, I reckon is in our favour. The argument is basically that overspending is designed to increase points totals, but there’s no way you can actually prove it has in practice.  So you just give them a penalty proportionate to the amount of overspend. And we have the comments from DC2 about us having no reason to think we weren’t allowed to use our amortisation policy in our favour too.  So basically we have no reason for us to think we were actually overspending at the time, and no ability to actually correlate any overspending to increased points totals.  Check and mate, I think.

Matlock not far but if it was Lands End I’d still do it.

Left Bonn (Germany) at 11:30 last night. Train from there to Frankfurt, flight from Frankfurt to Stansted, three trains later and just about to get through the door.
If you could all keep the noise down tomorrow, that would be much appreciated, as I'll be pretty tired. Cheers.

Boro **** off, and we forget how laughable they are.

Having being trying to catch up with this thread, almost impossible due mis/information. The reality is:-
a) the takeover is being hampered by spurious claims,
b) those claims are from Middlesbrough/Wycombe,
c) Gibson is trying to suggest he is compromising a good claim,
 
d) reality is, he is a charlatan trying to make the best out of a bad claim by putting pressure on the administrators.
e) he panicked and got caught out and sent a less than professional PR message to the press. 
 
All the above and probably more,

Perhaps the main reason the administrators aren't in a position to name the PB is because the EFL won't let us. Remember 2 weeks ago we were bearing in on goal with the name of the PB in our hand when we suddenly found that the EFL had moved to goalposts. Does that statement mean the EFL are doing a Boris?

This game will have put c£400k into the coffers, assuming the EFL give us the TV money. Can we keep this up?
While ever the dream is still alive I think possible to be around the 28-30k crowd and higher towards the end of season if each match is vital.....COYR

This game will have put c£400k into the coffers, assuming the EFL give us the TV money. Can we keep this up?
While ever the dream is still alive I think possible to be around the 28-30k crowd and higher towards the end of season if each match is vital.....COYR

This game will have put c£400k into the coffers, assuming the EFL give us the TV money. Can we keep this up?
While ever the dream is still alive I think possible to be around the 28-30k crowd and higher towards the end of season if each match is vital.....COYR

This game will have put c£400k into the coffers, assuming the EFL give us the TV money. Can we keep this up?
While ever the dream is still alive I think possible to be around the 28-30k crowd and higher towards the end of season if each match is vital.....COYR

I've had a Derby fan also mention me this morning that shared the guys views in the video so he's not the only one. (This is just to show proof, do not go and flood his mentions)
I can only guess that some are unable to separate why we entered administration and what is preventing us from leaving administration.
I actually mistook him for a Boro fan at first as I've had a few like this now since sharing the video.
Let's be perfectly clear here and I won't make the mistake of talking on behalf of Derby fans.
I am personally not blaming Boro or Wycombe for the situation we find ourselves in.
What I am blaming Boro and Wycombe for is their claims against Derby as they are a huge obstacle in leaving administration.
Claims which I believe have no merit and completely laughable.
Had it not been for these claims, it's quite possible we could have been out of administration now and embargo, yet we're still here wracking up administrator fees having to fight these.
And when I say Boro and Wycombe, I'm not talking about the fans, players, staff but Gibson and Couhig.
As far as I'm aware, Boro fans were not complaining about our "cheating" costing them a place in the play offs, only now since the claims are under a spotlight have they come out to defend Gibson and attack our club.
Which I get. Totally get. But please don't twist this into blaming Boro and Wycombe for the entire mess as it's simply not true.