May Contain Nuts

13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

And why would you measure him by anything other than him being able to get a team promoted from League One, that is the division that we are in. 

Because I'm making an overall assessment of his abilities. It doesn't mean I don't think he can get the job done, although surely you must be able to acknowledge what he isn't currently offering much which marks him out as the promotion expert he's labelled as? 

I'm not against bringing in managers to achieve a short term goal in the right circumstances, but most often it's the case that appointments like that are made in order to maintain your status when things are going badly, not to push a club onwards.

I don't believe you have to be a particularly good manager to achieve promotion from League One, not even the Championship. Look at Phil Brown and Aidy Boothroyd for example - both poor managers but have achieved more than Paul Warne ever has or ever will, IMO.

26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I don't know much about the u21 strikers, that is why I asked the question. 

My only real recollection is that Warne was an awful manager 2 or 3 weeks ago for not playing Weston?

 

Warne is a poor manager by any other measure than "can he get a team promoted form League one" 

and even that is in doubt right now

21 minutes ago, ramit said:

Warne has one job, to get us out of this league.

It doesn't have to be pretty.

It doesn't have to be pretty but it's becoming clearer by the day that he has to at the very least produce a team which LOOKS like a team, and not just a collection of individuals who scrape by by the very fact that those individuals have more quality than the opposition.

That's even more important when/if your finances don't match others.

It's the sort of thing you make up for with a managerial appointment, or some other way of giving yourself an advantage over the opposition.

We seem to be doing everything in our power to hand the advantage over to others.

18 minutes ago, LazloW said:

Disappointing but some of the reactions are, as usual, a little OTT.
Even with all our massive constraints and limitations, and DC’s desire to run the club sustainably (something some fans don’t really want to see because it means we have to live within  our means and not fritter money away) it’s still a little surprising there’s not a soul out there who could come in and do a job. But hey ho. Maybe we just don’t have the cash or pulling power. I’m not going to start slagging the club off over it. We got to spitting of autos with what what we have. Going to be tricky to do the next step without that extra striker, but who knows. Not the end of the world. 

Our constraints and restrictions rally aren't all that massive though, we're only competing with other League One clubs who similarly have to make sacrifices to get what they want.

15 minutes ago, Steadybreeze said:

Tbh this all feels more like Billy Davies era cobbling together wins with a trusted formula, i remember going to Preston on New Years day and scratting our way to such a terrible away win & suddenly thinking to myself my god this shower of s**** could actually go up!

Dont remember much hope for our future seeing that Cocuball going side to side across the defence and the ensuing Booing!

The difference between this an the BD era is that, IMO, he harnessed the us against them attitude and we  were a proper team, we believed in each other, we were  better than them even if they didn't know it!

Whereas Warne is more like... Oh well one day we may be able to be as good as them, but until then, go out and give it your all, gas out, prove we're as good as them.

Cocuball required everyone to buy into the long term strategy but results and performances ultimately lead to the patience running out due to exactly that,  boredom coupled with poor performances. I would never argue that when he left, it was due.

I think we're essentially seeing the opposite of that under Warne.

Buy into the short term and f*** the future.

12 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

Even if not PW's fault?

Depends how much you think he's wasted on signings who don't improve us or whether you you believe he's been too picky in terms of which players we could sign based on factors beyond their footballing ability (or whether he's a rubbish judge if character and/or ability), I guess.

Personally I don't think this is really on him, but bloody hell Paul shut your f****** trap until your sure you can deliver on the the things you talk about.

I'm just going to assume it all fell through which is why we don't have a new striker.

11 minutes ago, Steadybreeze said:

Or The dutch bloke or Rowett, not much in the way of the 'Derby way over the last decade really!

At least Cocu gave us some hope for our future with excellent work bringing academy players through, rather than prioritising his own skin over the club's future.

At least Rowett gave us, errrm I dunno (these are stretches!)...  the spectacle of seeing the absolute best of Vydra, Huddlestone's homecoming and the signing of future Derby hero in Curtis Davies while trying to get promoted to the top league.

I'm glad though that we're getting somewhere to being on course toward "The Rotherham Way" under Warne.  

6 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

Yes I agree - the silence is very strange 

But I’m deciding to take that in a way that suggests something is happening. We do normally get an indication that nothing is happening when the journos know. I’m guessing they haven’t been told anything yet because the club are STILL trying…

Said multiple times in the past that this window will determine whether we go up or not. Look how Portsmouth and Bolton have strengthened. This could cost us automatics.

also found the strange vague post from @MACKWORTHRAMearlier a bit concerning…

but also it's 22:40 and I don't remember us ever hearing nothing from either our sources, generic sources and other-team-specific sources this close to a deadline.

Not even one speculative post from a b******* journo posted on the transfer forum.

We haven't even heard anything more about Bird. I'm not even sure at this stage that Percy isn't being a piss taking forest t***.

Strange days!

3 hours ago, Kernow said:

A Gregg’s advert came up on the screen and he attacked it out of sheer habit.

Tried to f****** eat it more like.

24 minutes ago, Dartmouth Ram said:

Agreed on Smith, should have picked him for nothing when he was out of contract at Cambridge. Looks like Azeez is on his way to Plymouth mind...

The problem is that if a player has his heart set on a certain move for one reason or another you've got a lot on to change their mind.

Even knowing Reading were a mess he still chose to go and sign for them along with his fellow Cambridge freebie Knibbs, similarly May was always going to go to Charlton. What can you do in those circumstances?

If anyone else came in for CBT they'd have had the same problem.

13 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Probably a daft question and comes down to the resources of the two clubs, about which I know nothing, but I can't help wondering why Birdy hasn't gone to Hull? They're doing well, he liked playing Rosenior-ball and Liam liked and wanted to buy him. I hope if we decided to sell, the very least we did was tout Max around in the hope of more money and finding a better home for him. That he hasn't gone to Hull suggests we got a fee that was too good to turn down from Bristol City. Let's hope so anyway.

Hull don't need him, they've got Tyler Morton. (Although only on loan atm)

5 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I doubt he gives two s****

Two Hoots, surely?

1 minute ago, oodledoodle said:

Subscribe to oodledoodle for more hatch truths. I have plenty.

You've clearly been sitting on this one for a while.

8 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Those making observations about Warne’s style of football and Bird could well be right, maybe he’ll tell us all in a book one day.

A thought that’s occurred to me is maybe he’s just decided it’s time to move on in the summer. He’s been at the club for years, and a lot of those years have been turbulent times, he stood by the club when others walked away or forced their way out, maybe he’s just ready for something else but wants to help towards promotion before he goes.  

Added to that, he'll be fully aware that hes one of our very few saleable assets and understands that the money from his sale could help the club he's been at for so long achieve their goal of promotion.

Everyone has high hopes when they sign Jack Marriott, unfortunately it's never long before he Wrexham.

Just now, Jimbo Ram said:

Are you happy enough for us to spend another season in the third division 🤔 There is a balance here.

I'd be happy enough to spend a third season here if it guaranteed we didn't return for another 40+ years.

I'd be gutted if we wasted money on a short term fix that failed, ate into our budget for next season and lead us to having more than 3 seasons at this level!

11 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said:

Wonder how much a Knibbs or Brannigan would cost

Brannagan would cost...

...most of our other players a chance to have a shot at goal themselves.

Knibbs though, bloody go and get him. Even if he doesn't want to come here. Kidnap him if needs must. Demand a ransom equivalent to the fee they want for him so it balances out and ends up a free transfer.

8 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

We need to get out of this division, some shortism to help us achieve our long-term aims might be required. The financial gap between the Championship and League 1 is going to get bigger.

...and if the short terminism doesn't help us achieve our goals, what then?

8 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

£2.5 mill for a player , you can have for free in a few month , and stays anyway - Incredible result . Would have guessed at £0.5 tops . 

I'm thinking guesswork may be the order of the day tbh...

1 minute ago, Nuwtfly said:

Don’t want to be dramatic but it feels like the last product of the “Derby Way” finally heading out the door. 

Surely that still includes Sibley? Not that he's held in the same regard.

7 minutes ago, admira said:

Bird sale + no incoming striker = fan meltdown 

Keep Bird + no incoming striker = Fans convincing themselves that we've done alright actually because it could have been worse.

4 minutes ago, ollycutts1982 said:

I can’t see why Manning wouldn’t go for Branagan. 

Probably understands that League One is the very top of his capabilities.

Who is Mike McGrath and why have I taken an immediate and impassioned dislike toward him?

11 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Should have declared the sale of their stadium in the right set of accounts then.

True but that's not going to stop Chansiri being a. bitter and mardy, well, chancer with a grudge though is it?