mwram1973

I agree, but you have to also realize, not everyone is built the same. Some people can eat what they like and never put an ounce on, some, obviously like Rooney only have to look at a kebab and they'll put a stone on 😄

But how does him getting snapped pissed up make him dreadful for the club?. Also it's a team game, Rooney playing badly wouldn't have got Cocu sacked, the team playing badly got him the sack.
Rooney was one of the most dedicated footballers whilst playing, you only have to listen to his old team mates to realize what he put into the game.
Still having the drive to be a good manager when he could live a life of luxury and relaxation with absolutely no money worries just shows how driven he is.
Like i've said, he could have binned us off before the start of the relegation season but he stuck it out, and spent his own money to boot.
He deserves credit for that and I think most level headed fans can see that.
You obviously have a personal grudge against him as a person, which is fine, he's got himself in one or two compromising positions throughout his career. But remember he was a child superstar coming from a poor background and the fame and money had an adverse effect on him, especially in his younger days.

Exiled down south, I recently went to a charity match: Saints legends versus IoW legends. 
My son, his two friends and me spoke with Matt Oakley for a good few minutes before the players got changed for the game. He was absolutely brilliant with us, just a really nice, genuine guy. 
I told him that I was gutted when he left Derby - true, I was. He said he never wanted to leave but when Adam Pearson came in as director from Hull, he was forced out, so he joined his mate, Steve Howard, at Leicester.
I asked him what he thought of wee Billy because I was never a fan. But Matt Oakley said that Billy Davies was brilliant for him, really supportive in the dressing room. 
He is now a coach with big Darren Moore at Port Vale. Loving that but agreed with me that the big fellah was poorly treated by both club and fans at Wednesday.
Matt went on to boss the game, MOTM, even with some very good players around him.
One other ex-Ram, who played in the game but for the Isle of Wight team, was none other than Gary Rowett. Again, he had all the time in the world to chat with me and the disabled footballers I was with. Again, I didn't enjoy his time as manager of Derby, but he was great as a player in the Jim Smith era. I have to say though, he was a lovely person with us.

Ted McMinn, always used to chat to us on the popside sidelines when there was a break in play.

But how does him getting snapped pissed up make him dreadful for the club?. Also it's a team game, Rooney playing badly wouldn't have got Cocu sacked, the team playing badly got him the sack.
Rooney was one of the most dedicated footballers whilst playing, you only have to listen to his old team mates to realize what he put into the game.
Still having the drive to be a good manager when he could live a life of luxury and relaxation with absolutely no money worries just shows how driven he is.
Like i've said, he could have binned us off before the start of the relegation season but he stuck it out, and spent his own money to boot.
He deserves credit for that and I think most level headed fans can see that.
You obviously have a personal grudge against him as a person, which is fine, he's got himself in one or two compromising positions throughout his career. But remember he was a child superstar coming from a poor background and the fame and money had an adverse effect on him, especially in his younger days.

He didn't get us relegated, Mel Morris got us relegated and nearly put us out of business. Without those deductions he won enough points to see us comfortably in 17th, and that was with no budget and no money to even spend on equipment needed, which he paid for himself.
To answer your question, yes, given time i think he'll do ok at plymouth. Out of the 3 jobs he's had, Derby, he didn't stand a chance with a 21 point deduction, Birmingham, he couldn't buy or loan players but made the mistake of trying to get those lumps to play football (God forbid eh?).

He didn't get us relegated, Mel Morris got us relegated and nearly put us out of business. Without those deductions he won enough points to see us comfortably in 17th, and that was with no budget and no money to even spend on equipment needed, which he paid for himself.
To answer your question, yes, given time i think he'll do ok at plymouth. Out of the 3 jobs he's had, Derby, he didn't stand a chance with a 21 point deduction, Birmingham, he couldn't buy or loan players but made the mistake of trying to get those lumps to play football (God forbid eh?).

He didn't get us relegated, Mel Morris got us relegated and nearly put us out of business. Without those deductions he won enough points to see us comfortably in 17th, and that was with no budget and no money to even spend on equipment needed, which he paid for himself.
To answer your question, yes, given time i think he'll do ok at plymouth. Out of the 3 jobs he's had, Derby, he didn't stand a chance with a 21 point deduction, Birmingham, he couldn't buy or loan players but made the mistake of trying to get those lumps to play football (God forbid eh?).

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

I agree, but you have to also realize, not everyone is built the same. Some people can eat what they like and never put an ounce on, some, obviously like Rooney only have to look at a kebab and they'll put a stone on 😄

I agree, but you have to also realize, not everyone is built the same. Some people can eat what they like and never put an ounce on, some, obviously like Rooney only have to look at a kebab and they'll put a stone on 😄

Rooney might have athletic body of a darts player, drank his 6 pack and has more chins than Ronaldo, it never held him back, there would never be a player that put more effort in on the pitch.
@mwram1973 has made some valid points, you only have to look at the house in the video posted earlier in this topic. He has it all, stunning wife, kids, money, he has absolutely no reason to be down Plymouth’s training ground at 9am on Monday morning.
The guy absolutely loves the game and wants to succeed, I wish him the absolute best and hope that one day he gets to complete his dream and manage United.
Would be so easier to criticise another man for mistakes which he has made, it’s the English mentality to s*** on others whilst up in our high horses. I wasn’t a multi millionaire at 16, guarantee you if I was, there would have been loads more alcohol, women and the odd gilf, 21 I was and she was 48 😂

But how does him getting snapped pissed up make him dreadful for the club?. Also it's a team game, Rooney playing badly wouldn't have got Cocu sacked, the team playing badly got him the sack.
Rooney was one of the most dedicated footballers whilst playing, you only have to listen to his old team mates to realize what he put into the game.
Still having the drive to be a good manager when he could live a life of luxury and relaxation with absolutely no money worries just shows how driven he is.
Like i've said, he could have binned us off before the start of the relegation season but he stuck it out, and spent his own money to boot.
He deserves credit for that and I think most level headed fans can see that.
You obviously have a personal grudge against him as a person, which is fine, he's got himself in one or two compromising positions throughout his career. But remember he was a child superstar coming from a poor background and the fame and money had an adverse effect on him, especially in his younger days.

You make very good points and very level headed answer but one point I am not entirely sure about is his level of dedication. Rooney is a year younger Ronaldo and the same age as James Milner. Talent wise on a par with the former in my eyes but dedication wise not even on a level of the latter, never mind Ronaldo. This may have prevented him reaching the very pinnacle of the game. Even in his prime, every time he came back from injury in his playing day he was always a tad heavy and took a bit of time to get back to an ideal weight. Successful sportsmen and women live more or less a monastic life, this is complete and utter dedication to their sport, I am not convinced he had that in him and that he did do that. I cannot remember if it was a pre season or during covid that he came back to Moor farm and there were photos or videos of several player but none of Wayne. Rumours are he came back looking rather rotund, Jan Molby like, and the media department had to hold off publishing material of Wayne’s return to the training ground.

But how does him getting snapped pissed up make him dreadful for the club?. Also it's a team game, Rooney playing badly wouldn't have got Cocu sacked, the team playing badly got him the sack.
Rooney was one of the most dedicated footballers whilst playing, you only have to listen to his old team mates to realize what he put into the game.
Still having the drive to be a good manager when he could live a life of luxury and relaxation with absolutely no money worries just shows how driven he is.
Like i've said, he could have binned us off before the start of the relegation season but he stuck it out, and spent his own money to boot.
He deserves credit for that and I think most level headed fans can see that.
You obviously have a personal grudge against him as a person, which is fine, he's got himself in one or two compromising positions throughout his career. But remember he was a child superstar coming from a poor background and the fame and money had an adverse effect on him, especially in his younger days.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

Was he dreadful for us?, really?. The 21 points got us relegated. We'd have been around 17th wih those points back. We had no budget for players too. He put his hand in his own pocket a few times as I recall.
Whatever you may think of him, imo he conducted himself superbly under diabolical circumstances. Remember he's worth over £170 mill, he could have just walked away that season but he didn't.
I have nothing but respect for him for that reason and I hope he does well at plymouth.

I think a big part of why he loves us so much is we helped him with his redemption arc after the drugs ban. When he posted a pic celebrating in the dressing room after the promotion game, the caption was something along the lines of "If you've ever been down and out, this is proof that you can come back from anything you put your mind to".

From what I’ve seen Kieran Lee is pretty dirty.