duncanjwitham

There's a big gap between starting a team full of kids and basically playing none of them though.  
The way I see it, Weston should have been given 20 minutes or so against Barnsley.  Maybe he sticks away that 1-on-1 chance that Barkhuizen put miles wide or something.  Then if he does okay in that game, you start him in the Crewe game.  It's not the end of the world if he struggles, but if he plays well then all of a sudden you've got a useful first team squad player.  As it stands, Weston is a 20-year old that Warne doesn't want to play when it matters, so what point is there in him being here?  He's not suddenly going to turn into a useful player if he's barely allowed to play.

Remember when man u insulted the premier league by winning it with the class of 92? Still waiting for them to apologise for it.

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

Radio Derby played an interview clip with Warne before the game the other night.  He was absolutely crystal clear that youth players on the bench are only there to be used if the game is completely over (us being 3 goals up or down was specifically mentioned), he really has no intention of using them to meaningfully alter a game at all.  Even in a game like the Crewe replay where the bench was mostly youth players, they weren't going to actually be used.

Radio Derby played an interview clip with Warne before the game the other night.  He was absolutely crystal clear that youth players on the bench are only there to be used if the game is completely over (us being 3 goals up or down was specifically mentioned), he really has no intention of using them to meaningfully alter a game at all.  Even in a game like the Crewe replay where the bench was mostly youth players, they weren't going to actually be used.

Until the last week it has been a long time since I had been at a Derby Match. My Dad has said I’ve probably seen some of the best football so far this season. So, this thread is starting with genuine positivity from me, as my brother Daniel (B4) would also have done. This match means so much more to the Beavis family than any result. We want everyone to wave their scraves and flanges (not literally, ladies 🙈) and raise the roof for both DCFC and Daniel. Please share the details of the applause far and wide. 
I’m reliably told I need to predict a 3-0 win to Derby. 
My dad, Andy and I, will be in the east stand, stairway 35. We’ll be having a drink before the match and at halftime. Please do come and say hello. 
 
#COYR   #GetReadyToRoar  #BeMoreB4 

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

And it’s not just those guys, it’s a selling point for other academy players that we might try and recruit.  I’m sure I’ve seen things from the likes of Plange and Ebiowei, saying that the clear path to the first team was a big reason they chose us over other higher profile clubs.

The way I see it, we're quite effective when teams come at us, try to play a bit etc.  But we look clueless when teams set out to stop us playing and nick something.  If teams are just sitting in a low block, or maybe sitting someone on our DM to stop us playing out, we have no game-plan at all, we just keep lumping crosses into a brick wall.
Barnsley, Exeter and Northampton all, to varying degrees, tried to play against us and we picked them off.  Games like Shrewsbury, Stevenage etc, where they've set out to stop us, we've struggled.  From what Radio Derby were saying last night, it sounds like it started like a fairly open game (e.g. our first goal), but as the game went on and Crewe got the lead, Crewe sat deeper and deeper and just soaked everything up, and that's why our second half was so much worse than the first.
Those open games let our better players shine through, they get more time on the ball, more space to actually play. And the stuff that Warne wants us to doing actually has an effect.  We can press high and win it back when they play out from the back.  We can get it wide quickly and get crosses in because the game is more stretched, so more room to cross, more likely to be players running free in the box etc.  In those tight games, the stuff we're setting out to do is completely ineffective, because teams don't even try to play into our press, and they double up on our wingers, and pack their own box etc.  So our better players get stifled and the managers tactics don't do anything to actually effect the game either.

That's a lovely thought. How about @B4’s Sister starting the Bristol Rovers match thread? No pressure if you don't want to though @B4’s Sister. 
How it works is that you continue starting the match threads until Derby lose. In an ideal world this would be the catalyst to us going unbeaten until the end of the season.
You don't need to be technical about it either, @Bwash_Ram never is. Just put something like "Come on Derby, score for B4."
"What do you guys think?"

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

I actually think we're incredibly consistent - there are certain types of games we do well in, and certain types of games we do badly in.  There's obviously been a bit of up and down with form etc - the good run last season vs the slow start this season - but by and large, you can tell how well we're going to do in a given game by how the opposition set up against us.

The biggest issue is that a lot of the players we have are just not capable of doing the job that Warne wants them doing, they were mostly signed to do different jobs in a completely different setup.  Hourihane is not a mobile midfield enforcer, Sibley and Barkhuizen are not flying wingers that can cross, Collins is not a big physical target-man that you can play off, Bird and Smith are not a box-to-box midfielders etc etc etc.  A fair few of the players we've signed this summer seem to fall into this category too, which is even more worrying.
If we keep setting up in ways that require Sibley to hit the byline and cross, or Hourihane to dominate midfield on his own, or Smith to make runs into the box to support the striker etc, then both the team are going to struggle and the players themselves are going to look bad.  Those players are never going to be able to do those things.
So there are 3 options - we replace most of the squad with different players, the manager has a change of heart and completely changes tack, or we get a new manager.  I don't see anything improving until one of those things happens.

The way I see it, we're quite effective when teams come at us, try to play a bit etc.  But we look clueless when teams set out to stop us playing and nick something.  If teams are just sitting in a low block, or maybe sitting someone on our DM to stop us playing out, we have no game-plan at all, we just keep lumping crosses into a brick wall.
Barnsley, Exeter and Northampton all, to varying degrees, tried to play against us and we picked them off.  Games like Shrewsbury, Stevenage etc, where they've set out to stop us, we've struggled.  From what Radio Derby were saying last night, it sounds like it started like a fairly open game (e.g. our first goal), but as the game went on and Crewe got the lead, Crewe sat deeper and deeper and just soaked everything up, and that's why our second half was so much worse than the first.
Those open games let our better players shine through, they get more time on the ball, more space to actually play. And the stuff that Warne wants us to doing actually has an effect.  We can press high and win it back when they play out from the back.  We can get it wide quickly and get crosses in because the game is more stretched, so more room to cross, more likely to be players running free in the box etc.  In those tight games, the stuff we're setting out to do is completely ineffective, because teams don't even try to play into our press, and they double up on our wingers, and pack their own box etc.  So our better players get stifled and the managers tactics don't do anything to actually effect the game either.

Time to wheel this one out again...

I suspect the playing out of position thing has the effect of magnifying any other mistakes. If a player is clearly struggling to do his job, and he makes a few sloppy mistakes on top of that, it's going to look a lot worse than a few sloppy mistakes in an other-wise accomplished performance, because you've already got your finger pointed in his direction.
I do think the tactical setup isn't helping either.  If you look at Hourihane's mistake for their second, in the highlights posted previously, he picks the ball up, and there's basically no other Derby player in shot for the entire duration he holds it, and he ends up trying to thread a difficult pass that he fails to make.  If he's got a simple pass on there, we probably don't concede that goal.
Their first goal, both Smith and Hourihane appear to have got caught up field, and struggle to get back quickly enough to influence the game.  But if you set up with a pair of 30+ year olds in midfield and have them both constantly getting forwards and chasing back, that sort of stuff is going to happen at times.

The biggest issue is that a lot of the players we have are just not capable of doing the job that Warne wants them doing, they were mostly signed to do different jobs in a completely different setup.  Hourihane is not a mobile midfield enforcer, Sibley and Barkhuizen are not flying wingers that can cross, Collins is not a big physical target-man that you can play off, Bird and Smith are not a box-to-box midfielders etc etc etc.  A fair few of the players we've signed this summer seem to fall into this category too, which is even more worrying.
If we keep setting up in ways that require Sibley to hit the byline and cross, or Hourihane to dominate midfield on his own, or Smith to make runs into the box to support the striker etc, then both the team are going to struggle and the players themselves are going to look bad.  Those players are never going to be able to do those things.
So there are 3 options - we replace most of the squad with different players, the manager has a change of heart and completely changes tack, or we get a new manager.  I don't see anything improving until one of those things happens.

The biggest issue is that a lot of the players we have are just not capable of doing the job that Warne wants them doing, they were mostly signed to do different jobs in a completely different setup.  Hourihane is not a mobile midfield enforcer, Sibley and Barkhuizen are not flying wingers that can cross, Collins is not a big physical target-man that you can play off, Bird and Smith are not a box-to-box midfielders etc etc etc.  A fair few of the players we've signed this summer seem to fall into this category too, which is even more worrying.
If we keep setting up in ways that require Sibley to hit the byline and cross, or Hourihane to dominate midfield on his own, or Smith to make runs into the box to support the striker etc, then both the team are going to struggle and the players themselves are going to look bad.  Those players are never going to be able to do those things.
So there are 3 options - we replace most of the squad with different players, the manager has a change of heart and completely changes tack, or we get a new manager.  I don't see anything improving until one of those things happens.

I actually think we're incredibly consistent - there are certain types of games we do well in, and certain types of games we do badly in.  There's obviously been a bit of up and down with form etc - the good run last season vs the slow start this season - but by and large, you can tell how well we're going to do in a given game by how the opposition set up against us.

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

The way I see it, we're quite effective when teams come at us, try to play a bit etc.  But we look clueless when teams set out to stop us playing and nick something.  If teams are just sitting in a low block, or maybe sitting someone on our DM to stop us playing out, we have no game-plan at all, we just keep lumping crosses into a brick wall.
Barnsley, Exeter and Northampton all, to varying degrees, tried to play against us and we picked them off.  Games like Shrewsbury, Stevenage etc, where they've set out to stop us, we've struggled.  From what Radio Derby were saying last night, it sounds like it started like a fairly open game (e.g. our first goal), but as the game went on and Crewe got the lead, Crewe sat deeper and deeper and just soaked everything up, and that's why our second half was so much worse than the first.
Those open games let our better players shine through, they get more time on the ball, more space to actually play. And the stuff that Warne wants us to doing actually has an effect.  We can press high and win it back when they play out from the back.  We can get it wide quickly and get crosses in because the game is more stretched, so more room to cross, more likely to be players running free in the box etc.  In those tight games, the stuff we're setting out to do is completely ineffective, because teams don't even try to play into our press, and they double up on our wingers, and pack their own box etc.  So our better players get stifled and the managers tactics don't do anything to actually effect the game either.

The way I see it, we're quite effective when teams come at us, try to play a bit etc.  But we look clueless when teams set out to stop us playing and nick something.  If teams are just sitting in a low block, or maybe sitting someone on our DM to stop us playing out, we have no game-plan at all, we just keep lumping crosses into a brick wall.
Barnsley, Exeter and Northampton all, to varying degrees, tried to play against us and we picked them off.  Games like Shrewsbury, Stevenage etc, where they've set out to stop us, we've struggled.  From what Radio Derby were saying last night, it sounds like it started like a fairly open game (e.g. our first goal), but as the game went on and Crewe got the lead, Crewe sat deeper and deeper and just soaked everything up, and that's why our second half was so much worse than the first.
Those open games let our better players shine through, they get more time on the ball, more space to actually play. And the stuff that Warne wants us to doing actually has an effect.  We can press high and win it back when they play out from the back.  We can get it wide quickly and get crosses in because the game is more stretched, so more room to cross, more likely to be players running free in the box etc.  In those tight games, the stuff we're setting out to do is completely ineffective, because teams don't even try to play into our press, and they double up on our wingers, and pack their own box etc.  So our better players get stifled and the managers tactics don't do anything to actually effect the game either.

If you set out to make “get it wide and cross it” your only strategy to win game, then start 2 wingers who aren’t remotely “hit the byline and cross it” types, and have Collins as the only guy getting in the box, you aren’t going to win many games. That’s not really the players fault.