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Glad to see Ed is back. His commentary isn't for me as he simply couldn't accurately describe the game. I'd watch the highlights and they rarely reflected what I heard on the radio. However, despite me not being a fan of his work, he must have gone through a horrible time. He clearly cares about the club and wants to see it flourish. He's a part of the derby county community and we should all wish him well on his return. 

Trevor Christie, cool as custard...
 
Mods...chuck all these in a GR appreciation thread. The most wonderful radio presence.

"And Wanchope treated the Manchester United defense with absolute contempt" is mine I think 😎

Wayne Rooney massive bellend subbing him on and off again in the same game. 

It's the most extraordinary finish. I can't wait to see it from behind the goal to try to understand it better. Presuming it was deliberate, it looks like an incredible piece of skill by Sibley to divert it into the corner that way, given the pace the ball came to him at. But it is indeed vey hard to fathom - one moment we're on the attack and the next the ball is in the net, and it is hard to understand the process.

Yawn,

I'm aware of the results thanks.
My problem is why do we play so negative. Why when we have the best players in the league are we always playing as though we're the underdogs?

I agree with CS. Great to get the win. But don’t let a fluke of a win paper over the large cracks…

Glad for the win obviously.
But let’s not have the fluked result (cos that’s what it is and was) disguise a desperate performance created to a large extent by a woeful tactician of a manager. Don’t give me the line that it was PW’s sub of Sibs that got us the win. It was just luck, no more. Plus a large dose of desperation.
I can accept bad performances and understand the pressure on the players, particularly at home.
But our setup was appalling.
If we had gone attacking mode from the beginning (when Stevenage would realistically just be looking to get to HT at 0-0), scored two goals by H-T and then reverted to a back 5, then there would have been some logic to events. But PW’s talk about it being better to go for a win ( and risk losing) rather than draw is total BS. Talk is cheap but not matched by actions.
Stevenage deserved a draw. We got (very) lucky. Yes, we are where we are in the table and that’s good. But i am reminded of a tv interview with Matt Le Tiss who said that whilst Southgate was a nice guy he couldn’t help feeling that we would never win a tournament with him as manager and that he almost felt that with the players England have he( Le Tiss) could have managed them to a Euro final and WC semi. I feel the same about PW- it’s a ‘thanks Paul’ but no more. I have always been supportive of him but after today I seriously question his real credentials, yes, even acknowledging the current league position we find ourselves in.

For the Warne thread I suppose, but as I've said before, 90-95% of managers would have us in a better position. With no striker, Warne benches our most dangerous attacking midfielder? He got lucky.

Excellent. A vital 3 points. For me it's a win despite of rather than because of the manager, but at least we got over the line. Sibley should have been on the field 81 minutes earlier, but at least he was finally brought on with a whole 9 minutes to score the goal. Come on you Rams!

Regardless of what happens this season, there is no doubt in my mind that Rosenior had the potential to take us much further than Warne ever will. It was a colossal mistake to get rid of him, which is why many people will not let it go.
If Warne takes us into European football then I will absolutely return to this thread and admit I was wrong.

OK, so I came across as a bit of a dick a couple of hours ago - sorry about the dickishness, but I think that's because I'm from a generation of Derby fans who supported the club through thick and thin - and I still do.
I really wish that we could re-generate the 'Siege Mentality' of the Rooney era.

It’s great where we are sitting in the league and PW will be around for a while regardless of results imo.
Do I enjoy watching this style of football…absolutely not but I still hope we get promoted and then I’m pretty sure we would have to change our management and football style to have a chance of staying up in the championship.
Im not anti PW , I just don’t like the football his team is playing.
I do not find it entertaining except for a few matches where the style seemed to change and we looked fluid in attack and really clicked.
I also think this football style has contributed to the reason Jason Knight and Max Bird wanting out of the club to play football more suited to their qualities.
So fingers crossed for a win tonight and keep the pressure on the top teams and let’s hope we can get promoted this season out of this league and get back to playing real football again .
 

Warne will always err on the side of caution. That's my biggest worry about him.
Saying we needed three at the back to compensate for Cashin doesn't exactly demonstrate he has confidence in the rest of our defence.
Keeping CBT on the bench, when he might show a bit of spark up front? Give him 20 minutes. 
Should have started the game more attacking and then shored it up at the back if we needed to. Instead, he'd only got less defensive subs to bring on having used the "solid" players to start with.
I don't think 8 shots in 90 minutes is an acceptable return yesterday.
He set the dour tone from the off, gave Shrewsbury a platform to hold on to , one goal is never enough at our level.
Maybe away from home it would have been justified, but we aren't going to score goals when we always seem to be playing with the handbrake on.

I'm with @ramtique on this.  It's simply not as enjoyable as it has been.  It's not as entertaining as it could be.  Jipes, it could even be argued it's not as entertaining as it SHOULD be (But that's a separate discussion). 
Like @ramtique, I too suspect there are others (20k+, quite likely, but I appreciate I could be open to argument there!)
I'm not threatening to down STs and stay away (Although it does occasionally cross my mind!).  I'm certainly not affected enough to be concerned about my day to day mental well being.
I don't enjoy seaside do-nuts as much as I did 40 years ago, but they're still bloody tempting when you're within touching distance of the seaside.
Same with Kylie in gold hotpants.  It just doesn't have that same effect any more... but I ain't gonna click away if it unintentionally pops up on my YouTube suggestions! 👀
 
Hey, @Tyler Durden, why not not try to focus on what folk are actually posting, rather than exaggerating their words and opinions to a polar extreme?  Just a thought.

Spot on pal. I’ve been watching us for 50 years and have seen some dreadful sides in that time, but I have rarely been so bored at games. Yes I’m grateful we still have a club and all that. I don’t particularly expect to get promoted from where we have been the last 12/18 months. But I DO like to enjoy my Saturday afternoons which I’m not watching Warneball. The football is negative and totally uninspiring. We have the players - despite obvious deficiencies up front - to play better but are constrained by the limited and under ambitious approach of our management. Yes we are second etc etc but I’m not enjoying this and I’m sure I’m not alone. Cue the happy clappers telling me to stay at home…. 

Sorry to read this Rev.
I have been like it for months. Can’t be arsed to pay a tenner to watch the tripe being served up; the 3 or 4 games I have actually seen since Stevenage on TV have all been underwhelming.
I still enjoy this forum, and find it far more entertaining to follow than actually watching the games. Logged on at 2 to see @Caerphilly Ram put the team news up, posted a few things, and decided with a 3 at the back not to hang around and simply checked the score at half time and full time. 
Flicking through here tonight I read that again we played poorly. It was of course always going to be a difficult game, with Warne letting us know on Thursday that Shrewsbury had such a good midfield that we couldn’t try to go through them, just over and round them. The bloke is an absolute clown, and it continues to be my view that he is holding us back. No surprise that game management was a problem again in the final few minutes.

Today was pathetically bad. The quality of football was absolutely dross.
If Warne gets us up the chances of him keeping us up are zero in my opinion.
I look at what Ipswich did last season and are doing this season and we're a million miles away from what we "could be".
Bottom line is the football isn't good enough, I can accept poor results if we're playing the right way but the football is awful so draws like today become completely unacceptable.

But somewhere down the line isn’t going to the football about being entertained.? Someone compared watching us at the moment is like a visit to the dentist 🤔 Someone also asked when was the last time we played well at home. I honestly can’t remember. The fact I haven’t been this season speaks volumes. I travelled to away games under Jewell and Tan Man….just can’t muster up any enthusiasm to watch what is being served up at the moment.

Clowes won’t part ways with Warne. He will give him until 10+ games of next season before even considering a change.
It will definitely hit the attendances next season though, either way whether we’re in the Championship or League One.
It’s not good when I enjoyed our relegation season under Rooney more than this season. I genuinely came away from that season happy with performances on the pitch. 

Load of balls!
No point rocking the boat now, whether he gets us up or not, shake hands at the end of the season wish Warne well, then go our separate ways.
Not good enough, 6/10 (C-) football that reminds you of a trip to the dentist.
We’ll lose somewhere between 2 or 3 thousand off the gates next year if he’s still in charge, serving up this warm diarrhoea.
My mood tonight = 😞

Well I feel your pain and frustration for those that went or watched on TV, We've lost 9 points from winning positions after 85 mins that I can remember, There's something wrong with DCFC, We're 2nd and Shrewsbury are/were 6th from bottom and we struggle, The same with Cheltenham and Charlton, I doubt very much our players go out to under perform, PW said he got the tactics wrong...sorry PW but that's not your job to get things wrong, We should be putting teams like Shrewsbury to the sword...but failed, Have we got that ruthless streak in us? I don't think we have...imo.
PW would have have had STFC watched and yet he admits he called it wrong with the starting 11, Well I've a very good memory and I reckon it's not the 1st time PW has called it wrong this season, Our players are playing to instructions, Those instructions are not very good, This team should be doing better than it is...and yet we're 2nd 🤷‍♂️, It's a very good job that this division is so poor that we can still get autos...wake up DCFC.

Sacking him would.

All the chat about subs, reffing, late goals, fine...I get it.
For me though the takeaway is that it was another dull as muck afternoon. If we win, I'll wear it, when we don't though...I just start thinking about what could have done instead and I wonder why I'm bothering.