Donny Ram Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Does anybody want to mention the increase in add on clauses that form part of the new rules, or are possitive comments banned from this forum? The up-front payments on face value seem harsh but contracting a 14 or 15 year old to stay at a football club seems just as mercenary --- just an alternative view perhaps from a legal perspective! I'm sure clubs will find a loophole in the new rules, does anybody have a full copy of them that sets out the full details rather than media speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Young British talent is just a slave to the premiership. At this rate no team will break into the top five or six, national game will be less pointless than it is now, and kids with talent will never get a real chance to do what they love and play football. Welcome to thebworld of broken promises and exploration. Thought slavery was illegal ???? I am getting sick and tired of people referring to anything that goes on in football as slavery. They are paid a good wage for pursuing their dreams of becoming an international superstar worth millions, most can't make it that is what makes the ones that do so special. They want to do it, they are not forced, they are paid- IT IS NOT SLAVERY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 If you want to see real slavery come round my house and watch me wash the pots and doing the hoovering. F'in joke I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I coach junior football in my local area and it is not just the premiership teams who shatter players confidence the ones round me are in Championship, League 1 or 2. I will never stop a kid going to an academy however I sit their parents down and explain that it is cut-throat at every age group, each week he will be assessed and if his forms dips and a player is deemed better than him/her then they will be replaced. This could happen at any time. They are not too concernced about building up confidence or developing them. I have had players go been dumped they just want to play footballl but their parents still think they are the next best thing and pile on even more pressure on them to get back into an academy. Grasstroot football is undergoing a major changes as apparently it is us not the academies that will develop the next crop of English players. The academies are not facing the changes we are at junior club level. The reason our national team is poor is because a majority of academies are not interested in developing talent hence not many come through the system. Clough 2 yrs ago made the decision of developing youth as the world of football was changing hence people like Bennett, Obrien, Ball, Hendrick has come through the ranks. Since Alex Ferguson at Utd how many teams in the top two divisions have/are producing their own local talent in groups. Well done Clough and the coaching staff from top to bottom for actually realising talent in academies need developing and not just chucked on the scrap heap. Not many clubs would keep a playerafter heart operation at a young age. What a fine post sir, thanks for the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydan Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Ha ha nice one dan Nigel Clough is ready to give Derby wonderkid Mason Bennett a shock first-team debut this weekend at the age of FIFTEEN. Manchester City are already keeping tabs on the youngster, who was born on the day England beat Scotland at Euro 96 and Paul Gascoigne staged his infamous ‘Dentist’s Chair’ goal celebration. Clough will include striker Bennett in his squad for Saturday's trip to Middlesbrough and is prepared to make him the youngest debutant in Derby history. Already an England Under-16 international, Bennett has already established an excellent reputation and City, Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs have sent scouts to watch him play for the Rams' reserves. And boss Clough has revealed the only reason the kid did not make his debut at Reading on Tuesday was because he had school the next day! “Mason is someone we have to be patient with, but we can’t deny that we’re very excited about him," he said. “He’s a fantastic prospect and playing in the Championship would certainly not faze him. “We wanted to take him with us to Reading, but we were mindful that he had to be in at school nice and early the following day! “It won’t be a problem this weekend though, because he’s breaking up for half-term next week.” Bennett will beat Derby’s previous record holder Lee Holmes as the youngest player in their history by 169 days if he plays on Saturday. The teenager scored twice for the England Under-16s in the 3-1 win over Northern Ireland last month. T'was in the mirror , the sun & a few other places too pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 That'll put Steve Powell down to third 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> thanks for that fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake n Bake Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I don't think its right for kids to be in academies when they're really young. I used to do a little coaching on saturday mornings for kids ages 5-12. It was part-funded by Leicester City so we were supposed to send the best players to Leicester, but I was told by the boss before we send them to Leicester we should encourage them to sign for local teams because the academies were too harsh and demanding. That was straight from the mouth of a UEFA B coach. He said you can't assess a players full potential until he's around 14/15 so a huge ammount of kids are guna be left with broken hearts when they are kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheram Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Derby are being very clever here; we all know he will move to the premier but at the same the club must maximise his value - Championship experience at 15 anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rob Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Lets hope he has a better career than Lee holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 I wasn't trying to start a 'lets get rid of our best players for any sniff of money' I was just stating that champions of england had been interested, and then what sort of bid personally would you accept, there is tons of players that have fell from high stature as a youth player. Not many people will know this, and this is going to blow some peoples minds... however 'the most capped player at youth international for england ever?' the person with the record played over 40 games at all levels upto under 20. This is one of the pub quiz, but I'll let you fight it out but I would be surprised if it hasn't already been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Lee Croft. Amazing how such an ordinary player holds that record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 just seen on bbc 'Breakfast'. Mason is likely to make his debut at boro today... good luck to the lad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 BBC breakfast, no picture, no high, no stats, no weight for the chap. Why didn't they just read the match report from the under 18 England game? Cuts at Auntie must be really bad.......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 BBC breakfast, no picture, no high, no stats, no weight for the chap. Why didn't they just read the match report from the under 18 England game? Cuts at Auntie must be really bad.......! yes i didnt really realise how bad things were untill today. the horror of no stats for a 15 year old footballer has shocked me to the bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 no matter how much potential they are supposed to have, a youngster show be nowhere near the first team until they are 17 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well, looks like he's starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Starting today, youngest ever for Derby County. Shop Window? Or is he just that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 New youth transfer rules, suddenly he's starting... Must be **** hot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I wish Mason all the luck in the world today. I trust the squad will look out for him against seasoned pro's. He and his family will be so proud - I bet his ma & pa have their hearts in their mouths though. I hope he has a great match, go on Young un, well done to ya!!! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 It's different with Holmes and Croft. They weren't "wonderkids" for England at youth level. Yes, Lee Croft made lots of appearances, but that doesn't mean he ever looked like a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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