Petition to Derby to remove our relationship to gambling companies

[Stive Pesley]

On 04/08/2022 at 10:19, Rammysees said:

FYI EDS - Electronic Data Systems were the US based IT Services company Rolls-Royce sold all its computing requirements to and TUPEd it computing and data support etc. Somewhere around the early 90s. They provided a lot of IT solutions for big sporting events, hence the sports sponsoring. It was bought by HP a few years later and eventually renamed.

I worked at EDS at the time (early 2000s), and we also did the official DCFC website. Was a fun job for sure, lots of meetings at the ground and we did some pretty pioneering stuff. Then PremiumTV came along and offered a cut-price generic template to all the FL clubs and 90+% of them took it (including Derby). You may remember it as the time when everyone said "why has the website suddenly gone so crap?" ?

I still have a folder of old promo photos we had to scan. Lots of pictures of fans. I bet some of you lot are in there!

Funnily enough, what was EDS is now called DXC and they just set up a similar deal with Manure

https://dxc.com/uk/en/manutd

But to get back on topic FWIW I don't think pressuring Derby to drop betting sponsorship is the right approach. It needs to be handled at a national level on ALL sports, and it should be via a mandatory levy on the betting companies to go towards gambling addiction support

At the moment it's a voluntary 0.1% - which isn't a lot and betting companies can choose not to do it

GambleAware are proposing a 1% mandatory levy

https://www.begambleaware.org/news/gambleaware-calls-mandatory-1-levy-prevent-gambling-harms-crisis

If you want to do something proactive for your friend, then lobby MPs to get behind this proposal. 

 

 

[SirBrian]

9 minutes ago, David said:

Toyota were fined $180 million fine for violations of the Clean Air Act, should we remove the branding from our West Stand and the entire automotive industry?

 

Bookmakers record fine!!!

[i-Ram]

1 minute ago, SirBrian said:

Bookmakers record fine!!!

You sure about that, a tenner says your wrong.

[Day]

8 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

Bookmakers record fine!!!

Record fine? So was Toyota's. 

https://electrek.co/2021/01/14/toyotas-greenwashing-leads-to-record-180m-fine-for-emissions-lies/

 

[SirBrian]

11 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

You sure about that, a tenner says your wrong.

Very good, Ha Ha, according to BBC news it is.

[i-Ram]

11 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

Very good, Ha Ha, according to BBC news it is.

It probably is. I don't know what came over me, I saw the name Labrookes and I had the compulsion to want to bet.

[LERam]

1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said:

I worked at EDS at the time (early 2000s), and we also did the official DCFC website. Was a fun job for sure, lots of meetings at the ground and we did some pretty pioneering stuff. Then PremiumTV came along and offered a cut-price generic template to all the FL clubs and 90+% of them took it (including Derby). You may remember it as the time when everyone said "why has the website suddenly gone so crap?" ?

I still have a folder of old promo photos we had to scan. Lots of pictures of fans. I bet some of you lot are in there!

Funnily enough, what was EDS is now called DXC and they just set up a similar deal with Manure

https://dxc.com/uk/en/manutd

But to get back on topic FWIW I don't think pressuring Derby to drop betting sponsorship is the right approach. It needs to be handled at a national level on ALL sports, and it should be via a mandatory levy on the betting companies to go towards gambling addiction support

At the moment it's a voluntary 0.1% - which isn't a lot and betting companies can choose not to do it

GambleAware are proposing a 1% mandatory levy

https://www.begambleaware.org/news/gambleaware-calls-mandatory-1-levy-prevent-gambling-harms-crisis

If you want to do something proactive for your friend, then lobby MPs to get behind this proposal. 

 

 

This is the best option for those wanting change. A few clubs will get on board, but that will probably drive up the price for those who do accept the betting money (less gaps for them to advertise drives the price up surely?) Get change at the top and you'll see the results you want.

I'm still of the opinion shirt sponsorship convinces people to swap where they bet more than drive new customers. I'd say those half time adverts offering in play betting draw in a lot more new customers and are a lot more damaging.

That's just my opinion though 

[Boycie]

1 hour ago, i-Ram said:

It probably is. I don't know what came over me, I saw the name Labrookes and I had the compulsion to want to bet.

Cash out of it quick. Terrible habit.

obviously not my yearly bet on the Grand National though, that’s different.

 

[i-Ram]

1 hour ago, Boycie said:

Cash out of it quick. Terrible habit.

obviously not my yearly bet on the Grand National though, that’s different.

I would have thought not getting paid your monthly consultancy fee by the Forum is more of a risk.

[ramit]

A private company runs rehab centers here for substance and gambling addiction.  This company gets a percentage of all football betting, casino machines and lotto.  This may seem like a good idea at first glance, but the company is now financially dependent on betting companies and has no financial incentive to do the job properly they set out to do.  i am not accusing the company of not looking out for their patients interests, i am saying the temptation to not do so shouldn't be on the table to begin with.

[europia]

Totally support you @whestonram. It's time the unscrupulous and unethical gambling industry was treated the same way as tobacco companies. 

[SirBrian]

Had to put a response for all the ill informed comments on these  pages for you are clueless on the subject, from todays RACING POST ONLINE. Entain, the parent company of Ladbrokes/Coral, has been fined a RECORD £17 million by the gambling commission for a series of regulatory failures, and was imposed after a series of failures to intervene earlier with online and retail customers exhibiting traits associated with PROBLEM GAMBLING, as well as issues surrounding anti - money laundring measures.

Last year Ladbokes/Coral fined £5.9 million(obviously had no effect on them) from racing post quote, futher serious breaches will make the removal of their licence to operate a very real possibility.

March this year 888 fined £9.4 million, Smarkets fined £630,000 for a series of failures, at long last it appears that the gambling commission is showing their bottle against these poweful gambling companies who groom children to become future gamblers from their sponserships of football clubs, betting companies have been fined for taking bets off children and the BBC did a programme on problem gambling of the under age gamblers.

Earlier on these pages said that i had won on the horses over 7 years and all the bookmakers closed my accounts or would only accept small bets of 10 pence, not against anyone wishing to have a bet, but it is the under handed practices of the bookmakers which i am against willingly destorying famlies in their greed.

My 3 bets at £10 per bet = £30 yesterday had 1 winner 1.50 York Bergerac Betfair sp 32.67,  £10 win won £316.72 - £5.73 commission of 2% = + 310.99 total profit + £270.99. Happy to put my bets for the rest of the York meeting if that is acceptable on these pages, Moderators please let me know by 12.00pm.

 

[Rev]

40 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

Had to put a response for all the ill informed comments on these  pages for you are clueless on the subject, from todays RACING POST ONLINE. Entain, the parent company of Ladbrokes/Coral, has been fined a RECORD £17 million by the gambling commission for a series of regulatory failures, and was imposed after a series of failures to intervene earlier with online and retail customers exhibiting traits associated with PROBLEM GAMBLING, as well as issues surrounding anti - money laundring measures.

Last year Ladbokes/Coral fined £5.9 million(obviously had no effect on them) from racing post quote, futher serious breaches will make the removal of their licence to operate a very real possibility.

March this year 888 fined £9.4 million, Smarkets fined £630,000 for a series of failures, at long last it appears that the gambling commission is showing their bottle against these poweful gambling companies who groom children to become future gamblers from their sponserships of football clubs, betting companies have been fined for taking bets off children and the BBC did a programme on problem gambling of the under age gamblers.

Earlier on these pages said that i had won on the horses over 7 years and all the bookmakers closed my accounts or would only accept small bets of 10 pence, not against anyone wishing to have a bet, but it is the under handed practices of the bookmakers which i am against willingly destorying famlies in their greed.

My 3 bets at £10 per bet = £30 yesterday had 1 winner 1.50 York Bergerac Betfair sp 32.67,  £10 win won £316.72 - £5.73 commission of 2% = + 310.99 total profit + £270.99. Happy to put my bets for the rest of the York meeting if that is acceptable on these pages, Moderators please let me know by 12.00pm.

 

https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/20724-betting/

[Tamworthram]

55 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

Had to put a response for all the ill informed comments on these  pages for you are clueless on the subject, from todays RACING POST ONLINE. Entain, the parent company of Ladbrokes/Coral, has been fined a RECORD £17 million by the gambling commission for a series of regulatory failures, and was imposed after a series of failures to intervene earlier with online and retail customers exhibiting traits associated with PROBLEM GAMBLING, as well as issues surrounding anti - money laundring measures.

Last year Ladbokes/Coral fined £5.9 million(obviously had no effect on them) from racing post quote, futher serious breaches will make the removal of their licence to operate a very real possibility.

March this year 888 fined £9.4 million, Smarkets fined £630,000 for a series of failures, at long last it appears that the gambling commission is showing their bottle against these poweful gambling companies who groom children to become future gamblers from their sponserships of football clubs, betting companies have been fined for taking bets off children and the BBC did a programme on problem gambling of the under age gamblers.

Earlier on these pages said that i had won on the horses over 7 years and all the bookmakers closed my accounts or would only accept small bets of 10 pence, not against anyone wishing to have a bet, but it is the under handed practices of the bookmakers which i am against willingly destorying famlies in their greed.

My 3 bets at £10 per bet = £30 yesterday had 1 winner 1.50 York Bergerac Betfair sp 32.67,  £10 win won £316.72 - £5.73 commission of 2% = + 310.99 total profit + £270.99. Happy to put my bets for the rest of the York meeting if that is acceptable on these pages, Moderators please let me know by 12.00pm.

 

Could have been put a tad more politely but we got the message and consider ourselves well and truly told. ?

[SirBrian]

4 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Could have been put a tad more politely but we got the message and consider ourselves well and truly told. ?

Thought that was polite LOL, afraid feel over the years have been banging my head against a wall over this issue, having contacted MPs(tax and freebies their issue, my opinion only) and the racing post in the past who spout on but they do not want change, for the bookmakers pay for the adverts including ITV racing, afraid it is a closed shop, worse than the EFL? thankfully at long last the gambling commission appears to be slowly taking action, about 30 years late.

Did not wish to offend anyone only wanted to show how serious this is.