Finance thread 2022.

[sonofmidnight]

2 hours ago, TexasRam said:

Good for you, I think that’s excellent ?? 

Thank you. 

[uttoxram75]

3 hours ago, cstand said:

Government money is not the same as our money though is it. 
The govt cannot run out of money like a family can. 

[1of4]

4 hours ago, TexasRam said:

I didn’t say they didn’t work as hard. Again and again and again, I’ll make my point, everyone has just been rewarded with more cash in their pocket that they didn’t have Thursday. Clear ?

 Yes everyone as received monetary help during this difficult period. The issue is those that can more easily manage through this crisis, are the one receiving the greater percentage of the financial help.

You said people need to work harder, if they want to get the same rewards as those higher up the pay scale. So implying those higher up the pay scale work harder than those lower down the pay scale. So I'll ask again, how do you equate who is working harder?

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41 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

 Yes everyone as received monetary help during this difficult period. The issue is those that can more easily manage through this crisis, are the one receiving the greater percentage of the financial help.

You said people need to work harder, if they want to get the same rewards as those higher up the pay scale. So implying those higher up the pay scale work harder than those lower down the pay scale. So I'll ask again, how do you equate who is working harder?

How do you know who can easily manage and who can’t? How do you know people higher up the pay scale are not struggling? I have never ever said you need to work harder to get the same rewards as those earning more. I said when things get tough You need to do more or what you can to make things easier for yourself and not rely on handouts or the government to help you, if you have an issue with that then that’s on you not me. 

[1of4]

4 hours ago, TexasRam said:

I think anybody who works to earn money and has  >40% taken of them for the pleasure deserves a break. They earn what they earn maybe because they work long hard hours away from their family, maybe have taken sacrifices in life to be in the position they are in so yes i thinks it’s perfectly fair to be honest.

You asked why your post was laughed at.

Don't those that work to earn money and have the basic rate of tax taken off them, deserve the same breaks as those who pay a higher rate of tax? Maybe they also earn what they earn because they work long hours away from their families, making sacrifices to give their family the best life possible

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13 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

You asked why your post was laughed at.

Don't those that work to earn money and have the basic rate of tax taken off them, deserve the same breaks as those who pay a higher rate of tax? Maybe they also earn what they earn because they work long hours away from their families, making sacrifices to give their family the best life possible

I didn’t ask you.
 

Anyway, yes and they have, that’s my point. Everyone has breaks with the NI & Tax changes due to the mini budget, have they not? 

[1of4]

7 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

I didn’t ask you.
 

Anyway, yes and they have, that’s my point. Everyone has breaks with the NI & Tax changes due to the mini budget, have they not? 

 I've already agreed with you, yes everyone as received a monetary break. But what you don't want to acknowledge is that those higher up the pay scale have received a disproportionate amount of the monetary break.

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9 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

 I've already agreed with you, yes everyone as received a monetary break. But what you don't want to acknowledge is that those higher up the pay scale have received a disproportionate amount of the monetary break.

I will acknowledge it, but it’s all proportional and that’s life with so many variables that make debating it non sensical. However the whining, crying and it’s just not fair feet stamping is at least embarrassing. 

[1of4]

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

I will acknowledge it, but it’s all proportional and that’s life with so many variables that make debating it non sensical. However the whining, crying and it’s just not fair feet stamping is at least embarrassing. 

What are you acknowledging? When in the same breath you claim the monetary breaks given are proportional to what people earn.

[uttoxram75]

2 hours ago, TexasRam said:

How do you know who can easily manage and who can’t? How do you know people higher up the pay scale are not struggling? I have never ever said you need to work harder to get the same rewards as those earning more. I said when things get tough You need to do more or what you can to make things easier for yourself and not rely on handouts or the government to help you, if you have an issue with that then that’s on you not me. 

One point I'd make is that the very rich do tend to rely on government help, whether its tax breaks, allowing them to stash cash in tax havens, using their influence to make laws that favour big business like anti union legislation and allowing water companies to pump sewage into our rivers and seas. This is government intervention to allow bigger profit margins. This helps a small section of society.

The government could just as easily help a different and larger section of society if it was so inclined.

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8 hours ago, 1of4 said:

What are you acknowledging? When in the same breath you claim the monetary breaks given are proportional to what people earn.

The new monetary breaks are proportional to what people earn, that’s what I am acknowledging. FWIW I don’t think anybody no matter whatever they earn should half nearly half of that taken off them and put in the governments coffers. 

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7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

One point I'd make is that the very rich do tend to rely on government help, whether its tax breaks, allowing them to stash cash in tax havens, using their influence to make laws that favour big business like anti union legislation and allowing water companies to pump sewage into our rivers and seas. This is government intervention to allow bigger profit margins. This helps a small section of society.

The government could just as easily help a different and larger section of society if it was so inclined.

Doesn’t helping business prosper and grow (profits = investment) actually help a larger section of society due to employment, jobs and wages? Maybe if they didn’t do that then businesses would go elsewhere outside of the UK, then we’d have a even bigger issue. The last stats I saw unemployment was pretty low in this Country, I think at its lowest rate since 1974 (again another stat convienently ignored)  

[Ram-Alf]

There's the Haves, There's the Wills, There's the Wants, There's the Wonts, There's the Cant's, The Haves and the Wills will either take what's given or go out and "work harder" to get that little extra, The wants and wonts expect more for doing less, The cant's have things blocking their desires, Their disability, Their personnel circumstances, Their geography.

I'm aware that some of the "wants and wonts" who were given circa £650 partied with the said money on top of the already free money they get, The "haves and the wills" made do with what they had, Some of the cant's were never given the extra as they fell short of the required threshold.

This give away(it wasn't a mini budget as the OBR were told to duck off)certainly put more in the pocket of the "haves and the wills", The "wants and the wonts" are still partying on all their free money, It's the cant's that this bunch of $hithouses couldn't give a to$$ about.

Anger can be a great leveller...I might just put my X in the box for those who aspire to look after those cant's ?

[Grumpy Git]

50 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

The new monetary breaks are proportional to what people earn, that’s what I am acknowledging.

I think even those unable to get a grade 1 GCSE in mathematics would know that there is absolutely nothing proportional about this chart:

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Grumpy Git

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57 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said:

I think even those unable to get a grade 1 GCSE in mathematics would know that there is absolutely nothing proportional about this chart:

 

 

 

you earn more you get more, what bit don’t you understand. I’m still shocked that grown men and women who were given something they didn’t have a week ago are crying because it might not be as much as someone else, it’s staggering. 

[Grumpy Git]

50 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

you earn more you get more, what bit don’t you understand. I’m still shocked that grown men and women who were given something they didn’t have a week ago are crying because it might not be as much as someone else, it’s staggering. 

Your own statement said ‘proportional’.

Sorry to be a pedant, but that means that if the person on £20K gets £167 extra, then the person on £200K would get £1,670 extra.

……. but then again I’m sure you knew that anyway and are just on a wind-up!

One thing grown (working class) men and women definitely don’t understand is reading the Mail/Express/Sun will addle your brain.

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Grumpy Git

[i-Ram]

2 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:

There's the Haves, There's the Wills, There's the Wants, There's the Wonts, There's the Cant's, The Haves and the Wills will either take what's given or go out and "work harder" to get that little extra, The wants and wonts expect more for doing less, The cant's have things blocking their desires, Their disability, Their personnel circumstances, Their geography.

I'm aware that some of the "wants and wonts" who were given circa £650 partied with the said money on top of the already free money they get, The "haves and the wills" made do with what they had, Some of the cant's were never given the extra as they fell short of the required threshold.

This give away(it wasn't a mini budget as the OBR were told to duck off)certainly put more in the pocket of the "haves and the wills", The "wants and the wonts" are still partying on all their free money, It's the cant's that this bunch of $hithouses couldn't give a to$$ about.

Anger can be a great leveller...I might just put my X in the box for those who aspire to look after those cant's ?

I sometimes think there is a few to many Cant's on threads like these. Anyway, carry on with the politics chaps. I will DM @Revif I have any views on what he set the thread up to be about.

[Ram-Alf]

17 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

I sometimes think there is a few to many Cant's on threads like these. Anyway, carry on with the politics chaps. I will DM @Revif I have any views on what he set the thread up to be about.

There was a king a few years back that tried to halt the waves coming in, Cnut was his name, I think that's how he spelt it ?‍♀️

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

you earn more you get more, what bit don’t you understand. I’m still shocked that grown men and women who were given something they didn’t have a week ago are crying because it might not be as much as someone else, it’s staggering. 

I’m not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination but I don’t find it staggering. People are just complaining about the inequality. Your comment almost sounds like a put down of the lower paid: “shut up and just be thankful for what you’re getting”. 

[uttoxram75]

3 hours ago, TexasRam said:

Doesn’t helping business prosper and grow (profits = investment) actually help a larger section of society due to employment, jobs and wages? Maybe if they didn’t do that then businesses would go elsewhere outside of the UK, then we’d have a even bigger issue. The last stats I saw unemployment was pretty low in this Country, I think at its lowest rate since 1974 (again another stat convienently ignored)  

Big business and their corporate investors will never stop asking for more, you know that as much as I do. At some point a govt should try to balance the system and factor in quality of life for everyone. There is no perfect system, but some balance and fairness could be achieved if the will was there.

Who wants to preside over a country that has 25% of its population in or very close to poverty. Its 2022 not 1922. We have the ability and the means to eradicate poverty and make life a tad easier for everyone.

The govt are quick to act to make it more difficult for workers to fight to stop their wages and working conditions being slashed but are not interested in making it harder for the very rich to hide their vast wealth offshore.

A bit of balance mate, thats all.