JW37 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Marshall Byrne Wisdom Clarke Buchanan Bielik Shinnie Ibe Lawrence Jozwiak Waghorn Roos, Davies, Bird, Knight, Holmes, Sibley, CKR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Anybody else look at the starting 11's and think "oh he's crap and he's crap" Then realise there's no one better? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Common throughout the team. From those currently available, only Waghorn, Shinnie and Holmes have scored. Jozwiak's highest scoring season was 8 in the Polish league, whereas Lawrence hit double figures last season. In fairness though just because someone has scored more goals doesn't mean that the team will score more. I would personally prefer Jozwiak for his pace, dribbling and ability to beat his man making something happen but obviously it's good to have options. Part of me wonders whether pushing Lawrence upfront might work and looking towards a fluid front three. Not now obviously, right now we clearly need a bit of a platform to stage the attack from until we get to a semblance of doing ok again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, Ellafella said: Maybe Buchanan for Foz on rotation but this is the XI I’d like to see Wazza pick, once Ibe is fit. Views? Yep. mostly agree with that. Probably Bielik for Wisdom when he's fully fit and match sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Alpha said: Anybody else look at the starting 11's and think "oh he's crap and he's crap" Then realise there's no one better? ? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Ellafella said: Maybe Buchanan for Foz on rotation but this is the XI I’d like to see Wazza pick, once Ibe is fit. Views? I like that and whilst I really rate Buchanan,I prefer fizzy for his ability to fozzy great crosses into the box which would suit that front three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Common throughout the team. From those currently available, only Waghorn, Shinnie and Holmes have scored. Jozwiak's highest scoring season was 8 in the Polish league, whereas Lawrence hit double figures last season. Yes indeed. Thing is with Lawrence he tends to be the “soloist” ie his goals are usually all of his own making rather than he gets on the end of someone else’s assist. Hence his lack on consistency; he blows very hot and cold and his contribution is very much mediated by his temperament. Notably Boro worked on him and his head was gone after 25 minutes. Nice thing about Holmes’s goal last Saturday was it was a 12-pass team move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: I like that and whilst I really rate Buchanan,I prefer fizzy for his ability to fozzy great crosses into the box which would suit that front three. Bucannan has a left peg on him too and plants a good ball in but I know what you mean, Fozzy can put that lovely fizz on it. The Fozzy Fizzer as it’s known in the World of Football. ⚽️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 52 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: no. Well we aren't bottom with a -15GD and 1 win in 14 due to bad luck. This is the worst team we've had since 2012/13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Goals win games and Lawrence (at the moment) will bring more goals to the team than Jozwiak Well - based on this season and all games included - Jozwiak has 1 plus 1 dodgy ruled out goal. Lawrence has none! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Sparkle said: Holmes at his best would only make my bench You’d employ him in a carpenter-type capacity? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Alpha said: Well we aren't bottom with a -15GD and 1 win in 14 due to bad luck. This is the worst team we've had since 2012/13. But your question was if i thought our players are crap. No, i don't. Just had a bad manager and bad tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, brady1993 said: In fairness though just because someone has scored more goals doesn't mean that the team will score more. I would personally prefer Jozwiak for his pace, dribbling and ability to beat his man making something happen but obviously it's good to have options. Part of me wonders whether pushing Lawrence upfront might work and looking towards a fluid front three. Not now obviously, right now we clearly need a bit of a platform to stage the attack from until we get to a semblance of doing ok again. There's little between the two overall. Lawrence got 8 assists in his first season with us (11 in his season with Ipswich) so there's obviously more to his game than just goals from outside the area. He assisted the assister vs Wycombe as well. If we start using our subs effectively then it'll become a redundant question. We should be rotating our wide options (Lawrence, Jozwiak, Waghorn and Whittaker, and Ibe when fit), with them putting everything they have into their game time. 60 minutes for the starters, 30 for the subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Goals win games and Lawrence (at the moment) will bring more goals to the team than Jozwiak But Jozwiak will assist more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: There's little between the two overall. Lawrence got 7 assists in his first season with us (9 in his season with Ipswich) so there's obviously more to his game than just goals from outside the area. He assisted the assister vs Wycombe as well. If we start using our subs effectively then it'll become a redundant question. We should be rotating our wide options (Lawrence, Jozwiak, Waghorn and Whittaker, and Ibe when fit), with them putting everything they have into their game time. 60 minutes for the starters, 30 for the subs Ibe could be the firework that starts the spark. The arrival of Mac could be a huge factor in getting Ibe back on the pitch and firing again. Mac’s 1:1 is well known in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Right now my strongest lineup is different to everyone's because I think we should play a different formation. But the idea that Sibley and Curtis Davies aren't in our strongest lineup for some of you, absolutely baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpha said: Anybody else look at the starting 11's and think "oh he's crap and he's crap" Then realise there's no one better? ? I would say the players are inconsistent , not crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: But Jozwiak will assist more goals. Surprisingly, Lawrence's season best for assists is also better than Jozwiak's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: There's little between the two overall. Lawrence got 7 assists in his first season with us (9 in his season with Ipswich) so there's obviously more to his game than just goals from outside the area. He assisted the assister vs Wycombe as well. If we start using our subs effectively then it'll become a redundant question. We should be rotating our wide options (Lawrence, Jozwiak, Waghorn and Whittaker, and Ibe when fit), with them putting everything they have into their game time. 60 minutes for the starters, 30 for the subs Oh I don't disagree that Lawrence can't create, I just think Jozwiak is quicker and a better ball carrier and therefore more likely to create teams problems. Your second point is completely correct. Wingers/Wide forwards blow hot and cold at this level for the most part and it's important to have a group to rotate between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Surprisingly, Lawrence's season best for assists is also better than Jozwiak's Really.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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