Coronavirus

[G STAR RAM]

2 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

Quick word to say thanks to those who have posted and sent DMs during my brief absence. GF is now hopefully on the mend and assuming improvement is maintained should be out of the ICU tomorrow or the following day. Suffice to say while I'm taking nothing for granted as yet, my stress levels are dropping rapidly and I've not destroyed any further fixtures and fittings as a consequence.

Thanks again chaps and chapettes. Much obliged. Hope all of you lot and your kin are safe and healthy and coping with lockdown OK. Perhaps in a month or so we'll see things slowly returning to normal and we can get back to moaning about the footy instead of this hateful ducking virus.

COYR

Great news ?

[i-Ram]

4 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

Quick word to say thanks to those who have posted and sent DMs during my brief absence. GF is now hopefully on the mend and assuming improvement is maintained should be out of the ICU tomorrow or the following day. Suffice to say while I'm taking nothing for granted as yet, my stress levels are dropping rapidly and I've not destroyed any further fixtures and fittings as a consequence.

Thanks again chaps and chapettes. Much obliged. Hope all of you lot and your kin are safe and healthy and coping with lockdown OK. Perhaps in a month or so we'll see things slowly returning to normal and we can get back to moaning about the footy instead of this hateful ducking virus.

COYR

All the best to both of you.

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[Ewe Ram]

9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Have they decided whether wearing masks or not is a good idea yet?

 

Science isn’t conclusive either way. I’m an NHS worker and I have the option. I don’t wear one. 

[Eddie]

9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Have they decided whether wearing masks or not is a good idea yet?

 

From the word go, wearing masks wasn't a mechanism to stop you catching the disease - it was a mechanism to reduce the spread by catching your snot and coughs.

[BaaLocks]

24 minutes ago, Van Gritters said:

There are reports from Korea that people have become reinfected but no one can confirm this one way or the other. There is not enough knowledge about this virus. Also would a vaccine work if there are chances of a mutation? 
What is the next move? How far do you go down one avenue if it is at best an educated guess? 
I and may be most people want to see an end to this I am not bothered whether someone should have gone to the horse races or a game of football should have been played I need to know if antibodies are going to work and do they work better in some than others?  

You / they might be right. I thought most of the examples of people becoming infected twice was down to testing inconsistencies. If it does prove to be the case that you can get it more than once then, well, we're hosed. You're right in what you say, in many ways, the bulk of the focus has to be on getting us back to a normal society where this is a story we tell our grandchildren. But we do need to learn, and those that made mistakes should pay - I don't think anyone is saying we would get through this without a single death but the numbers are too high and are getting higher. Someone has to be held up to account for that.

[BaaLocks]

17 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

It's more complex than that. There are two factors to consider. 

1. The length of time antibodies stay in the body. Often you can get immunity to a virus, but it only lasts for around 12 to 18 months. 

2. Viruses mutate. Regular flu for instance, has different strains circulating each year. 

Which mean that having survived the virus in no way means you can't get it again. 

Correct on both points, though there is no determined time at which immunity degrades. 

I think I addressed point 2 in another mail. Getting immunity to this coronavirus will not protect you from the next one. This one maintains about 70% of the genetic material of SARS.

[BaaLocks]

5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

From the word go, wearing masks wasn't a mechanism to stop you catching the disease - it was a mechanism to reduce the spread by catching your snot and coughs.

Or stopping you rubbing your face.

Interesting (anecdotal) cultural aspect in there though, broad brush though it might be, suggestion is that Europeans wear masks to stop getting the disease whereas Asians wear them in the hope they don't spread it. Not to say all Asians have it but I found the point an interesting one, and not in favour of Europeans.

[Uptherams]

23 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

I’ll tell you what. Go educate yourself with what the WHO are saying because they are the experts that all countries are acting upon. 
I sat through their press conference yesterday. I’ll listen to them, some of the ‘experts’ on this forum are laughable. 

In all honesty I'll listen to our experts. The CMO and CSO. They have been remarkably apolitical whilst the WHO and some other nations senior figures have not. 

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, BaaLocks said:

Or stopping you rubbing your face.

Interesting (anecdotal) cultural aspect in there though, broad brush though it might be, suggestion is that Europeans wear masks to stop getting the disease whereas Asians wear them in the hope they don't spread it. Not to say all Asians have it but I found the point an interesting one, and not in favour of Europeans.

It was one of the things I noticed in Singapore. If you can a cold, you wore a mask as a matter of politeness.

[G STAR RAM]

14 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

Science isn’t conclusive either way. I’m an NHS worker and I have the option. I don’t wear one. 

Surely youd expect the experts to giving clear advice on this?

[richinspain]

We've been told over here that the typical face mask, the ones made of a paper like material with several folds in them, aren't capable of preventing you from catching the virus. What is being said however is that they do help in preventing the spreading of it. Basically if two people cross paths and both are wearing a face mask neither will pass on the virus to the other. It's not 100% but does greatly reduce the risks.

[RamNut]

6 hours ago, King Kevin said:

I've thought about this quite a lot ,I've never had a flu jab and I've never had flu either .I don't do drugs if possible i.e on the rare occasion I get a headache I'll take one and a half paracetamol not two.

Not had a cold for 2-3 years and I don't do doctors ,if a vaccine came out I'd probably swerve it . I do know I'm a lucky man and I am truly grateful.

Well I’m not a big one for medicines either. I felt that going to the doctors became a wierd sort of ritual whereby you’d blather on for five minutes in answer to a few questions, and then in order to get rid of you, the doctor would issue a prescription for industrially produced drugs. I had my doubts over the efficacy of all this when i read that the possible side effects of one drug included discharge from the nipples. They went straight in the bin. I wish i could say I don’t get ill though. I seem to have had a sniffle for months. And a cold from mid October to mid jan that would manifest itself as laryngitis or a nasty cough or a streaming cold, week after week.

but this Is different mate. This disease is an absolute bar steward. It is highly infectious and it kills. But not immediately, so you have two or three weeks to infect your nearest and dearest; family and friends; and the poor nurse who has to empty your colostomy bag and check you’re not dead, whilst you fight for every last breath.

Don’t swerve a vaccine if we ever get one, because you won’t swerve the disease. And if there is one thing that has come on leaps and bounds in recent years, it’s genetic engineering. That’s not drugs. Take that chance if it’s ever offered. 

[RamNut]

3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Sweden's measures much more mild than ours, not reflected in the figures.

Yet.

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, RamNut said:

Yet.

Their lack of a full lockdown does suggest that may be the case.

[therealhantsram]

Interesting new theory doing the rounds in medical press today that the severe cases are related to thrombosis or related issues where the patients blood clots too easily. The theory being that the virus causes hundreds of tiny blood clots in the lungs, which stops oxygen getting to blood. 

The positive news is that if this is the case then existing drugs used for thrombosis may be able to help those severe cases.

[Rev]

4 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

Interesting new theory doing the rounds in medical press today that the severe cases are related to thrombosis or related issues where the patients blood clots too easily. The theory being that the virus causes hundreds of tiny blood clots in the lungs, which stops oxygen getting to blood. 

The positive news is that if this is the case then existing drugs used for thrombosis may be able to help those severe cases.

Any links fella?

As someone who suffers exactly that condition, I'd like to see it.

[rammieib]

3 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

Interesting new theory doing the rounds in medical press today that the severe cases are related to thrombosis or related issues where the patients blood clots too easily. The theory being that the virus causes hundreds of tiny blood clots in the lungs, which stops oxygen getting to blood. 

The positive news is that if this is the case then existing drugs used for thrombosis may be able to help those severe cases.

Everything I read about the drugs they are trialling are on patients who seem to be on their last legs. I worry we are not giving drugs early enough.

On Cheltenham (and a Stereophonics concert) - the area least affected in this country for hospital admissions - The South West!! Although I don’t think it should have happened.

All true pathways out are a vaccine. However even a pretty good vaccine at 60-70% efficient should be good enough for the herd immunity to be implemented. I still think this vaccine will be ready this autumn. My bigger worry is if politics gets on the way. As soon as a formula is known - give it to all companies who can produce it. However I don’t trust the pharma’s to do that as their greedy capitalist companies.

[Sith Happens]

7 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

Interesting new theory doing the rounds in medical press today that the severe cases are related to thrombosis or related issues where the patients blood clots too easily. The theory being that the virus causes hundreds of tiny blood clots in the lungs, which stops oxygen getting to blood. 

The positive news is that if this is the case then existing drugs used for thrombosis may be able to help those severe cases.

great news,  as someone who suffers from polycythemia I'll get me coat now.

[Comrade 86]

8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Have they decided whether wearing masks or not is a good idea yet?

 

Guessing you're joking here though I have seen some debate as to whether masks create a false sense of security - that is will folk relax other safety regimes? I'd like to think most folk are smart enough not to, to be honest. I think some countries are now handing basic masks out free to members of the public which I think makes sense as if this is to be adopted as a wider measure, the more folk using them, the more significant the benefit, or so logic decrees. 

On this note, I berated the old man into buying some. He's recently overcome cancer and his immune system will be nowhere near what it was but he still insists on going to the supermarket even though he can get prioritised for home delivery, because, as he puts it, 'others' needs are greater', an argument that got short shrift from me. The compromise was some reasonable quality ones (not hospital quality but suitable for 30 mins in Tesco etc) which he duly bought after I relentlessly guilt-tripped him over it. I was surprised at how easy they were to find to be honest & insisted he mail me one as proof that he'd actually bought some. Instead I received 25 this week with a slightly terse note contained telling me to practice what I preach. Fair one I guess!

Have to say I'm still really angry that some NHS and care workers etc are still awaiting PPE but I think that's a subject that's been done to death on here, including by me, so perhaps the time for that argument is after the event when all the facts are known. What I would say is that I hope folk on here will grab some even if only for supermarket visits - there are plenty out there that would not be deemed suitable for hospital usage. Buying some does not deprive NHS staff so it's hard to argue it's not a sensible and worthwhile precaution.

[therealhantsram]

5 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said:

Any links fella?

As someone who suffers exactly that condition, I'd like to see it.

I can't find the article I read earlier, which was in layman's English. This is a highly technical paper in the Lancet from a couple of days ago. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhae/article/PIIS2352-3026(20)30109-5/fulltext