Topram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, RaichCarter said: Wow. Lawrence? Prancing pony can do one. Inconsistent and mardy And Hudds is so under rated it’s scary. He’s the heartbeat of our team and doesn’t get anything like the credit he deserves. A 32 year old keeper is not old by any stretch. I don’t think we’ll sell unless he really wants to go. Bloody hell I forgot hudds, he just needs someone next to him to do the running dirty work Ect, I think Lawrence needs time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtheram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Lawrence will have a good season. Some people dont rate him, But i do. Maybe he will thrive under an attacking boss who's first thought is not always to track back and defend. Jheez last year he was a winger having to defend more than he attacked, do you think Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar would score the goals they do if there managers told them to be more defensive and do doggys all game? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 doesn't quite sound right Ronaldo ,Messi ,Neymar and Lawrence in the same sentence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I’d sell any of them if the right price came in. anyone over 30 that we get a reasonable offer for we should sell and replace with a younger cheaper model sounds like a marriage that does!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I just doubt that if we were to replace him with a GK as good or better, they'd struggle to be as likable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, Seaside Sam said: doesn't quite sound right Ronaldo ,Messi ,Neymar and Lawrence in the same sentence ? Yeah, not too keen on Messi being in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Edtheram said: Scott Carson is a great keeper at this level - if not the best in the league. I wouldn't want to see him leave however, If we pushed Brighton for 5 million (or more) i couldn't complain at the sale. he's 32 turning 33 this season, Surely a sum of 5-7 million would be good business, not many old keepers go for that much. Just read on Twitter that @BBCDerbySport believe that "Brighton could be about to make a serious play for Derby keeper Scott Carson" - Tweeted 58 mins ago. I would be very happy if Butterfield, Blackman and Johnson went to Brighton for £5-7 million. If ever there was a collective waste of money it was them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtheram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Im pulling my hair out. Everyone signing players (Forest now 7!) and were just tinkling along. Can Vydra just get gone asap so i can get off on seeing us sign someone - I come on this forum everyday at every hour but nothing changes......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Just now, Edtheram said: Im pulling my hair out. Everyone signing players (Forest now 7!) and were just tinkling along. Can Vydra just get gone asap so i can get off on seeing us sign someone - I come on this forum everyday at every hour but nothing changes......? Why would you want our best player gone though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtheram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Because if he doesn't fit the system and requires cuddling after every performance to keep his chin up then lets take the money and bring in some quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Harrowram said: I would be very happy if Butterfield, Blackman and Johnson went to Brighton for £5-7 million. If ever there was a collective waste of money it was them! Bit harsh to include Johnson in there mate. He’s done alright and never really been played in his correct position. Even towards the end of last season he never let us down as 1 of the 2 in DM position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 hours ago, RaichCarter said: Wow. Lawrence? Prancing pony can do one. Inconsistent and mardy And Hudds is so under rated it’s scary. He’s the heartbeat of our team and doesn’t get anything like the credit he deserves. A 32 year old keeper is not old by any stretch. I don’t think we’ll sell unless he really wants to go. Step 1 - Whinge that we keep signing old players. Step 2 - When we sign promising young player and he doesn't perform as well as often as an experienced, older player poo our pants and cry about it. The Derby way... Seriously what an absolutely bonkers post. You don't know him personally so you cannot say he is mardy. Pure wild conjecture. Inconsistent? Helloooooo that's why he plays in the championship. Every attacker in this league is inconsistent... Prancing? Should he apologise for trying to show technical ability rather than being a Weimann mark 2? Honestly comments like this... sometimes I think we don't deserve promising young players at this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Bit harsh to include Johnson in there mate. He’s done alright and never really been played in his correct position. Even towards the end of last season he never let us down as 1 of the 2 in DM position He wasn't worth £6 million and £30k per week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Harrowram said: He wasn't worth £6 million and £30k per week!! Didn’t say he was worth it but he wasn’t a waste of money. He’s oerformed better than a lot of our other players and at least played for us for the last 3 years. Id say not getting £6 mil for Martin was a bigger waste of money when we had the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Harrowram said: He wasn't worth £6 million and £30k per week!! True but not his fault half of that at the time would have been much more sensible and still expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Phoenix said: Yeah, not too keen on Messi being in there. Lawrence certainly looked very messy most of the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 14 hours ago, BathRam72 said: My wife would say the exact opposite. ? Yeah but I imagine you're not on a million a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raich Carter Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 17 hours ago, IlsonDerby said: Step 1 - Whinge that we keep signing old players. When did I do that? I specifically said that Hudds was class. Quote Step 2 - When we sign promising young player and he doesn't perform as well as often as an experienced, older player poo our pants and cry about it. Talk about taking one comment and then taking it the extreme. At £7m he needs to be more than promising. I don’t rate him - have no problem with young players Quote The Derby way... Seriously what an absolutely bonkers post. Only when you take stupid liberties with it Quote You don't know him personally so you cannot say he is mardy. Pure wild conjecture. How do you know I don’t? You jump to some fairly big conclusions youth. Quote Inconsistent? Helloooooo that's why he plays in the championship. Every attacker in this league is inconsistent... Kinell. He’s too inconsistent for the money we paid. Is that clearer? Quote Prancing? Should he apologise for trying to show technical ability rather than being a Weimann mark 2? Again, wtf. What tech ability does he show? Poor crosses? Poor corners? Quote Honestly comments like this... sometimes I think we don't deserve promising young players at this club. Yeah, comments like this where you take a little moan and blow it out of proportion - that’s the Derby way. I’m not a moaner - far from it but I don’t rate Lawrence. No problem at all with the older players (generally our best players) and I hope Lawrence proves me wrong - especially if he plays more centrally where he should get more of the ball. Honestly, posters like you who try to shout others down... Rather than just have a sensible debate you turn into Piers F'ing Morgan by taking one point and turning into a totally different one. <sigh> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, RaichCarter said: I’m not a moaner - far from it but I don’t rate Lawrence. No problem at all with the older players (generally our best players) and I hope Lawrence proves me wrong - especially if he plays more centrally where he should get more of the ball. The way Rowett used him was quite frankly sickening. I didn't watch as many games as I would have liked, but there seemed to be a reoccurring theme of him having to chase the ball or him having to control a long ball with the closest Derby player being nearly 5 miles away leaving him isolated. Nearly every time he had the ball at his feet, the only option he had was to go round 2-3 players in order to get into a position where he can make an impact. That's not a Lawrence problem, that's a tactical problem. We were far too stretched as a team, which happens when you're playing counter-attacking football. We need to be a lot closer together, we've gone from being a possession-heavy side that played in the opposition half to a long ball side defending in our own half. We're literally the Bruce Jenner of Championship football & I want to go back 1976 Olympic Bruce!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 05/07/2018 at 09:57, RaichCarter said: Wow. Lawrence? Prancing pony can do one. Inconsistent and mardy And Hudds is so under rated it’s scary. He’s the heartbeat of our team and doesn’t get anything like the credit he deserves. A 32 year old keeper is not old by any stretch. I don’t think we’ll sell unless he really wants to go. I think on the other hand Raich your tone in articulating that you don't rate Tom Lawrence was way over the top. Personally I think you are wrong & he will prove it next season. As you say you are entitled to an opinion but don't be surprised to get flack with statements such as your opening line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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