ossieram Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: Maybe Middlesbrough? Then he would be on a hotel in Middlesbrough as Durham is miles away. I bet it’s Marek the bloke who sorted out my plumbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Meeting Celtic halfway? If it’s Celtic it would be a flight from East Mids surely. He would tear it up in Scotland if he was to go to Celtic mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: Then he would be on a hotel in Middlesbrough as Durham is miles away. I bet it’s Marek the bloke who sorted out my plumbing Not sure there are hotels in Middlesbrough, who the hell would want to stay in that god forsaken place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: Then he would be on a hotel in Middlesbrough as Durham is miles away. I bet it’s Marek the bloke who sorted out my plumbing You had a touch of the runs then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC27 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Andicis said: And I gave you reasons why your theories on positions Vydra can play are just that. People think because Vydra scored a few goals last season he can play anywhere, when the only reasons he scored the goals was because he was in a formation built around him. I read your post I can assure you. I just think you're extremely wrong. I think you're very dismissive, Vydra cant play every position as effectively as last year and score 20+ but he could certainly have an effect from those positions. Again this is provided we cant sell him, if we can't sell then he plays. He's scares defenders with is pace, he works just as hard as any player when trying to win the ball back (otherwise he wouldn't have played for Rowett. He's clinical from anywhere in and around the box. Great feet and decision making. I'm all for cashing in as I don't think his stock could be any higher but if he stays there is no way he is not in our match day squad. I would go as far as to he will be in the 11. He has more to offer than just number 10. Plus for Watford he played in a 3 Deeney/Ighalo and Vyds. sometimes Fosestieri and I remember him being pretty effective in that 3. It depends on the type of 3 you play; Winger or wide forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 Guns Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, Doodle said: Not sure there are hotels in Middlesbrough, who the hell would want to stay in that god forsaken place Last time i went there every building looked like a loading bay! The big rusty ship was the nicest thing i saw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 59 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: You had a touch of the runs then? Yes I think the Chef was a Gump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mice_elf Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Harrowram said: He wasn't very successful at West brom when he went there on a seasons loan. Any manager would be taking a risk in relying on Vydra to score enough goals to keep his team up. Depends how you measure success I guess. He was only 21 years old when he went to West Brom on loan in the Premier League 2013/14, off the back of a good Season on loan at Watford in the Championship. That Season at Watford being the first full Season of his career, having joined them on loan from Udinese at the age of 20. In 23 Premier League appearances, he scored 3 Goals and had 4 Goal Assists. Those bare stats don't knock your socks off, but when you see that he was only on the Pitch for 668 minutes in those 23 appearances, then that puts an entirely different complexion on things. That gives him a Goal/Goal Assist for every 95 minutes played in the Premier League :- https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/101500 You also have to take into account the state of West Brom that Season. Their joint League top-scorers were Saido Berahino and Stephane Sessegnon with just 5 goals apiece. These are the stats for their more attack-minded players that season ( Forwards and attacking midfielders) :- Saido Berahino - 32 Appearances (11 starts/ 22 subs), 1402 minutes played, 5 goals and 2 assists Morgan Amaltifano - 28 " (26 starts/ 2 subs), 2152 " " , 4 goals and 4 assists Stephane Sessegnon - 26 " (23 starts/ 3 subs), 1962 " " , 5 goals and 1 assists Victor Anichebe - 26 " (11 starts/ 15 subs), 1216 " " , 3 goals and 3 assists Matej Vydra - 23 " ( 7 starts/ 16 subs), 668 " " , 3 goals and 4 assists Shane Long - 15 " (11 starts/ 4 subs), 1035 " " , 3 goals and 1 assists Zoltan Gera - 14 " ( 5 starts/ 9 subs), 482 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Nicolas Anelka - 12 " (11 starts/ 1 subs), 856 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Scott Sinclair - 8 " ( 4 starts/ 4 subs), 300 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Thieva Bifouma - 6 " ( 3 starts/ 3 subs), 251 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Markus Rosenberg - 4 " ( 1 starts/ 3 subs), 88 " " , 0 goals and 0 assists All above stats from Transfermarkt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._season Given that Vydra has spent pretty much his entire career out on loan, whilst the Pozzo's tried to maximise his value - https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/transfers/spieler/101500 - then it is hardly surprising that his career stats appear a bit hit and miss. It might also explain why he seems a tad reluctant to leave the only Club where he's spent 2 consecutive Seasons in one place. Quite why so many Rams fans are desperate to get the Golden Boot Winner out of the Club is a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, StarterForTen said: This is purely unsubstantiated and I'm making no claims of truth but.... one of my work colleagues is absolutely 100% convinced he has just seen Matej Vydra walk into a hotel just outside Durham. They crossed as he was leaving. Newcastle United perhaps? Has there been any rumour of interest from them? Number 5 bat and orthadox left arm spinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Quite why so many Rams fans are desperate to get the Golden Boot Winner out of the Club is a mystery to me. Maybe because they realise Vydra doesnt quite suit our current system and is at a price that most of us could only dream of receiving this time last year. Too many times we havent cashed in on players when their value is high. People mention Brentfords scouting/transfer model but if we had that here the club would get berated for selling the best players every summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene Titman Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Depends how you measure success I guess. He was only 21 years old when he went to West Brom on loan in the Premier League 2013/14, off the back of a good Season on loan at Watford in the Championship. That Season at Watford being the first full Season of his career, having joined them on loan from Udinese at the age of 20. In 23 Premier League appearances, he scored 3 Goals and had 4 Goal Assists. Those bare stats don't knock your socks off, but when you see that he was only on the Pitch for 668 minutes in those 23 appearances, then that puts an entirely different complexion on things. That gives him a Goal/Goal Assist for every 95 minutes played in the Premier League :- https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/101500 You also have to take into account the state of West Brom that Season. Their joint League top-scorers were Saido Berahino and Stephane Sessegnon with just 5 goals apiece. These are the stats for their more attack-minded players that season ( Forwards and attacking midfielders) :- Saido Berahino - 32 Appearances (11 starts/ 22 subs), 1402 minutes played, 5 goals and 2 assists Morgan Amaltifano - 28 " (26 starts/ 2 subs), 2152 " " , 4 goals and 4 assists Stephane Sessegnon - 26 " (23 starts/ 3 subs), 1962 " " , 5 goals and 1 assists Victor Anichebe - 26 " (11 starts/ 15 subs), 1216 " " , 3 goals and 3 assists Matej Vydra - 23 " ( 7 starts/ 16 subs), 668 " " , 3 goals and 4 assists Shane Long - 15 " (11 starts/ 4 subs), 1035 " " , 3 goals and 1 assists Zoltan Gera - 14 " ( 5 starts/ 9 subs), 482 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Nicolas Anelka - 12 " (11 starts/ 1 subs), 856 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Scott Sinclair - 8 " ( 4 starts/ 4 subs), 300 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Thieva Bifouma - 6 " ( 3 starts/ 3 subs), 251 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Markus Rosenberg - 4 " ( 1 starts/ 3 subs), 88 " " , 0 goals and 0 assists All above stats from Transfermarkt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._season Given that Vydra has spent pretty much his entire career out on loan, whilst the Pozzo's tried to maximise his value - https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/transfers/spieler/101500 - then it is hardly surprising that his career stats appear a bit hit and miss. It might also explain why he seems a tad reluctant to leave the only Club where he's spent 2 consecutive Seasons in one place. Quite why so many Rams fans are desperate to get the Golden Boot Winner out of the Club is a mystery to me. It’s a mystery to me why you can’t understand what is staring you in the face. Vydra can only be effective in one position and with the team built around him- incidentally, both Steve Nicholson and Craig Ramage have said as much today.It’s not going to happen- Lampard has his number 10 in Mason Mount. Apart from this he has well and truly pissed on his chips by leading his club, their supporters and Leeds up the garden path for several weeks, possibly blowing a big hole in FL’s transfer plans, and has let himself be dictated to by some greedy , parasitic agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Depends how you measure success I guess. He was only 21 years old when he went to West Brom on loan in the Premier League 2013/14, off the back of a good Season on loan at Watford in the Championship. That Season at Watford being the first full Season of his career, having joined them on loan from Udinese at the age of 20. In 23 Premier League appearances, he scored 3 Goals and had 4 Goal Assists. Those bare stats don't knock your socks off, but when you see that he was only on the Pitch for 668 minutes in those 23 appearances, then that puts an entirely different complexion on things. That gives him a Goal/Goal Assist for every 95 minutes played in the Premier League :- https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/101500 You also have to take into account the state of West Brom that Season. Their joint League top-scorers were Saido Berahino and Stephane Sessegnon with just 5 goals apiece. These are the stats for their more attack-minded players that season ( Forwards and attacking midfielders) :- Saido Berahino - 32 Appearances (11 starts/ 22 subs), 1402 minutes played, 5 goals and 2 assists Morgan Amaltifano - 28 " (26 starts/ 2 subs), 2152 " " , 4 goals and 4 assists Stephane Sessegnon - 26 " (23 starts/ 3 subs), 1962 " " , 5 goals and 1 assists Victor Anichebe - 26 " (11 starts/ 15 subs), 1216 " " , 3 goals and 3 assists Matej Vydra - 23 " ( 7 starts/ 16 subs), 668 " " , 3 goals and 4 assists Shane Long - 15 " (11 starts/ 4 subs), 1035 " " , 3 goals and 1 assists Zoltan Gera - 14 " ( 5 starts/ 9 subs), 482 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Nicolas Anelka - 12 " (11 starts/ 1 subs), 856 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Scott Sinclair - 8 " ( 4 starts/ 4 subs), 300 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Thieva Bifouma - 6 " ( 3 starts/ 3 subs), 251 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Markus Rosenberg - 4 " ( 1 starts/ 3 subs), 88 " " , 0 goals and 0 assists All above stats from Transfermarkt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._season Given that Vydra has spent pretty much his entire career out on loan, whilst the Pozzo's tried to maximise his value - https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/transfers/spieler/101500 - then it is hardly surprising that his career stats appear a bit hit and miss. It might also explain why he seems a tad reluctant to leave the only Club where he's spent 2 consecutive Seasons in one place. Quite why so many Rams fans are desperate to get the Golden Boot Winner out of the Club is a mystery to me. I wouldn’t say we were desperate. But some don’t think he fits in to the way Frank wants to play. He’s been tried out wide and up front as the line striker and ultimately failed to impress. i think there are several players in both those positions that would be before him on the team sheet and he’s too good and worth too much to have on the bench let alone not even in the 18. i would be interested where he would sit in peoples match day 18 and who they would drop to shoehorn him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, RedSox said: Vyds is pictured in today's training gallery fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachmyster Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 First name on the team sheet imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Great option to have. Ledley Mount Wilson Vydra Lawrence Marriott Attack the best form of defence so they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 He's going to be miles behind everyone else because of his lack of pre-season. Will need to get up to speed before we see him in action, if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Lets just throw away all the positives from pre season and all the work on the formation etc just to accomodate Vydra, seriously, thats why we got found out last season, we were a 1 man team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R@M Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Can’t really understand how he has become our yearly scapegoat before the season has even started. Our leading goal scorer. Top championship goal scorer. Best shot to goal ratio in the league (or there abouts). All done feeding off the scraps of long balls and counter attacking. The stats state he had a 75ish % pass completion, better than most of the squad. Imagine how many goals he could get with 5 chances per game? The club have clearly stated everyone has their price. Why are ‘fans’ slating him for not just taking a longer contract with a bit more money elsewhere? The evidence says he at least likes this club and after having so many that look like they don’t care, not being a mercenary should be applauded. You cant compare the various teams he has played in. Remember Lingard? was terrible. Wisdom already looks better in preseason from last year. Ledley was too slow and generally rubbish up to 3 weeks ago. Bryson’s legs have gone; thankfully they seem to have returned. I hope he stays, smashes it and makes the majority on here eat their tin foil hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Depends how you measure success I guess. He was only 21 years old when he went to West Brom on loan in the Premier League 2013/14, off the back of a good Season on loan at Watford in the Championship. That Season at Watford being the first full Season of his career, having joined them on loan from Udinese at the age of 20. In 23 Premier League appearances, he scored 3 Goals and had 4 Goal Assists. Those bare stats don't knock your socks off, but when you see that he was only on the Pitch for 668 minutes in those 23 appearances, then that puts an entirely different complexion on things. That gives him a Goal/Goal Assist for every 95 minutes played in the Premier League :- https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/101500 You also have to take into account the state of West Brom that Season. Their joint League top-scorers were Saido Berahino and Stephane Sessegnon with just 5 goals apiece. These are the stats for their more attack-minded players that season ( Forwards and attacking midfielders) :- Saido Berahino - 32 Appearances (11 starts/ 22 subs), 1402 minutes played, 5 goals and 2 assists Morgan Amaltifano - 28 " (26 starts/ 2 subs), 2152 " " , 4 goals and 4 assists Stephane Sessegnon - 26 " (23 starts/ 3 subs), 1962 " " , 5 goals and 1 assists Victor Anichebe - 26 " (11 starts/ 15 subs), 1216 " " , 3 goals and 3 assists Matej Vydra - 23 " ( 7 starts/ 16 subs), 668 " " , 3 goals and 4 assists Shane Long - 15 " (11 starts/ 4 subs), 1035 " " , 3 goals and 1 assists Zoltan Gera - 14 " ( 5 starts/ 9 subs), 482 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Nicolas Anelka - 12 " (11 starts/ 1 subs), 856 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Scott Sinclair - 8 " ( 4 starts/ 4 subs), 300 " " , 0 goals and 1 assists Thieva Bifouma - 6 " ( 3 starts/ 3 subs), 251 " " , 2 goals and 0 assists Markus Rosenberg - 4 " ( 1 starts/ 3 subs), 88 " " , 0 goals and 0 assists All above stats from Transfermarkt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._season Given that Vydra has spent pretty much his entire career out on loan, whilst the Pozzo's tried to maximise his value - https://www.transfermarkt.com/matej-vydra/transfers/spieler/101500 - then it is hardly surprising that his career stats appear a bit hit and miss. It might also explain why he seems a tad reluctant to leave the only Club where he's spent 2 consecutive Seasons in one place. Quite why so many Rams fans are desperate to get the Golden Boot Winner out of the Club is a mystery to me. Nice informative post spoiled by the last sentence. Many think it makes sense to selll and its because were playing 433, and someone was willing to pay £11 million for him. Im not sure about fans being desperate to get rid. If that mystifies you then God knows what you must do when it comes to working out something even more complicated, like tying your shoelaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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