Hilton Ram Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, irobinson said: They must have a thought they were on a home banker total pr Disaster - and they deserve the backlash Beggars belief - can’t actually think about it.... Agree - I think Derby thought we can't lose to the bottom team but got a good hiding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Mel Morris is a fantastic businessman when it comes to investing his money into companies. I appreciate the investment he has put into the club but as an owner he's been falling over hurdle after hurdle. Feel bad for him in some ways because after the revelations with Sam Rush, it's clear he's been taken for a ride with his money at times. We need someone to oversee the football side of things and let Mel do what he does best and that's running a business. Hopefully not employing a crook though which nowadays is bloody hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, G-Ram said: It does however look like we’ve been financially miss managed & that is down to him. Its ok backing managers but some of the business we have done is unforgivable But he employed Sam for that reason, we are currently trying to get something back for his mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, reveldevil said: Says one thing and does another. On Radio Derby prematch tonight, bemoans the waste bill (was wage bill, but sometimes autocorrect is apt!), after chasing promotion since he's been in charge, yet has previously stated that promotion was a by product of a 'rising tide of performance', rather than the ultimate goal. He stands in the South stand with Jono and the finance director tonight, enough, stop with the fookin gimmicks, stop deflecting blame onto the fans or past employees, just do your job as owner and make sure the people below you in the organisation do the same. Thank you...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Beginning to think this is true tbh... the whole club needs a complete reboot imo. You can look at our situation from all sorts of long term and short term problems imo: Shortest term: the players- they deserved every boo they got tonight. Utterly abject and in the top 5 worst performances I’ve ever seen. No effort to win the ball back- these are players who’ve had three weeks off! There was no movement, complete lack of any sort of concentration- they all turned up thinking it was three points in the bag, absolutely disgraceful. Showed a complete lack of leadership as well once again as well, people have questioned their charectar for years but they’re hardly proving them wrong! None of them can stand up when they need to be counted, and it’s not good enough. Players there didn’t deserve to wear the badge tonight that so many great players have played in before. People like Brian clough and Dave Mackay will be looking down wondering how our team has come to this. Simply fed up with it and I can see I’m not alone. Like Sean dyche said the minimum requirement is maximum effort- that wasn’t there from many tonight. Many players shouldn’t have a future here. Short term: the manager- Has to go. If you can’t get your team ,no matter how mentally weak they are, to be up for a fight and to bloody well concentrate against bottom of the table Sunderland when we’re desperate for points then he can’t remain in charge. Today was an embarrassment and it cannot be accepted considering the position we were in. The empty ground said it all, people cannot bear to carry on. We seem complete bereft of any ideas, much like his predecessors he seems very rigid in a failing system. There seems to be no organisation at the back so Christ knows what we do in training. I’ve defended Rowett over attacks on his style but it has deteriorated into hit and hope now and it’s painful to watch, especially without Huddlestone. They players absolutely deserve criticism, but if we keep making these mistakes why are players continuously playing. Forsyth has been **** again yet he keeps his place and has a new contract? Wisdom is dropped for no reason? Lawrence keeps his place over Palmer? Too many questions for me now, today has to be the last straw. BUT Long term: the owner- questions now have to be asked. What’s our direction? What’s our philosophy? We’ve turned into a complete shitshow. All this stuff with rush, how was it not spotted? Why has the academy not produced anything yet, with all the managers being sacked should Wassalls job not be on the line too? All the managers he’s appointed have not followed any sort of style, it was just never going to work. Why have we not got a CEO who’s more experienced in football matters? What’s going on with our scouting system, why are they incapable of finding anyone young and a bit more unknown who can give us more for less? Why did we sell our best player so cheap? It’s all just such a mess and I think it must go right to the top. If he isn’t going to invest next year (and fair play I don’t think it’s worth it business wise) then sell us to someone who can. We need investment and a restructuring of the team on and off the pitch in the summer. A proper philosophy needs to be integrated. Time needs to be spent finding the best manager for the job, who’s a bit more flexible with fresh ideas and who follows a set philosophy. A good coach and motivator. Maybe look abroad? We also need a CEO with knowledge of the game who can run things in the background properly, sort out the academy coaching staff etc. We need a philosophy to be integrated all the way through the academy so players come through following a system. We need a specialised director of football and global recruitment team to find the best players FOR OUR STYLE. Sorry for the long rant and hats off to anyone still reading, but I had to get out my take On our problems. I’ll probably feel a little better in a bit but right now I’m so despondent about derby that I’m regretting renewing my season ticket. It’s a lot of money for what will be a lot of pain if things don’t change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The bloke clearly doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Says one thing then contradicts himself a few months later. No wonder the (numerous iterations of) staff he's employed are constantly stumbling to perform - how can they do their job effectively when the guy at the top is so unstable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Well done Mel for standing with the fans tonight. The entitled bunch who want him out, be careful what you wish for. I've lived through an awful lot of DCFC Chairman in my time and the current incumbent is one of the very best. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 @Millenniumram good post except saying manager has to go! That is precisely where we have gone wrong and why we’re nowhere nearer to the premier league! Another new manager will only make things worse, especially as where transfers are concerned a new manager won’t have a pot to piss in! Mel has made that clear when we stay down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Well done Mel for standing with the fans tonight. The entitled bunch who want him out, be careful what you wish for. I've lived through an awful lot of DCFC Chairman in my time and the current incumbent is one of the very best. That is all. Does criticising Mel automatically mean you want him out? Think it’s perfectly acceptable to question his impact since taking over without slitting dummies. How would you assess his time at Derby so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 The club is a mess and it has been for a while. We're just finally seeing the result of years of mismanagement, both on and off the pitch, come home to roost. Rowett needs a win desperately. In mid-January, we were 2nd and nine points clear of 7th. After a run of 1 win in 11, eight games without a win, 10 points from 33, a 4-1 humiliation at home to relegation threatened Sunderland, we are now only in the play-offs by virtue of goal difference having plummeted from 2nd to 5th. Another damaging loss and it could be curtains for Rowett because this is the kind of capitulation that gets a modern-day manager fired. Mel needs a win desperately. The court case between Rush and Morris and the subsequent revelations uncover what we have known for some time. Mel and Sam both have more money than sense and neither can be trusted to run a football club. The court case will only determine who is the more incompetent and the least trustworthy of the two. But at least if Mel and the club win the court case, Mel can begin to repair his reputation and standing with the fans, which must surely be at rock-bottom now. So that's one positive - the only way is up! It's times like these which make me think: I miss GSE, and dare I say it, I miss Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, cosmic said: Does criticising Mel automatically mean you want him out? Think it’s perfectly acceptable to question his impact since taking over without slitting dummies. How would you assess his time at Derby so far? I think one of the most underratted aspects of Mel's tenure is that he's been incredibly unlucky. It must be a source of huge frustration to him (and us). Taking over on the day of the playoff final, that was tough. Signing George Thorne only for him to do his cruciate that first pre-season game. Both Hughes and Bryson getting badly injured the first half of the first match of the following season. Even recently we didn't get a load of decisions at the start of the year that would have seen us cement an automatic slot after the craziness of the Lookman deal not going through in the transfer window despite both us and Everton agreeing and wanting it. But we have: a great academy; about the most highly rated young English manager; are in the playoff positions in a season of transition despite a run of poor form; and have great plans for developing the ground further. And most of all we have a wealthy chairman who loves the club and gives it incedible support at massive personal cost to try to make it a success so we'll all be happy. Fans are so short-termist. At the start of the season, had you shown them the table as it stands tonight, most would have bitten your hand off for it. Because we've over-performed for part of the season people are now disappointed, but that's down to a lack of perspective. I can still see us getting promoted this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utisbug Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Grow up kids. MM is not the problem. Pumped in far more dollar than most at the helm of other clubs, get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyhill60 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, utisbug said: Grow up kids. MM is not the problem. Pumped in far more dollar than most at the helm of other clubs, get a grip. Your first three words reveal so much. Money is not the only consideration. Realising DCFC is not your personal train set is another. Sadly some key decisions have been proved to be very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 It does make me laugh, we got walloped at home by the worst team in the division last night and it was all Mel's fault.! Maybe, just maybe we are not as good as some think we are. Maybe, just maybe we are currently where we should actually be and just maybe we have been punching above our weight most of the season. Mel's fault? Not a chance! Once those players cross that white line they have to take responsibility on the pitch...... Reality check required! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: I think one of the most underratted aspects of Mel's tenure is that he's been incredibly unlucky. It must be a source of huge frustration to him (and us). Taking over on the day of the playoff final, that was tough. Signing George Thorne only for him to do his cruciate that first pre-season game. Both Hughes and Bryson getting badly injured the first half of the first match of the following season. Even recently we didn't get a load of decisions at the start of the year that would have seen us cement an automatic slot after the craziness of the Lookman deal not going through in the transfer window despite both us and Everton agreeing and wanting it. But we have: a great academy; about the most highly rated young English manager; are in the playoff positions in a season of transition despite a run of poor form; and have great plans for developing the ground further. And most of all we have a wealthy chairman who loves the club and gives it incedible support at massive personal cost to try to make it a success so we'll all be happy. Fans are so short-termist. At the start of the season, had you shown them the table as it stands tonight, most would have bitten your hand off for it. Because we've over-performed for part of the season people are now disappointed, but that's down to a lack of perspective. I can still see us getting promoted this year. Virtually everything in this post is wrong. It's a pathetic cop out to blame injuries and bad luck . Great academy? - its a great finance drain on the club and the production of internally produced players was better 10 years ago . Many of us ( the fans I sit with ) have been season ticket holders for over 20 years and have renewed for next - the very opposite of short termist. If we see Rowett out it will be because he is a ***** manager . We just want entertaining football . getting promotion would be a bonus and not the key factor in how we judge the club. We didn't boo last night and never do. Rowett only makes excuses ( like you do ) , blames others . It's his strategy that has got us into this mess. Mel Morris is all gimmicks and needs someone to challenge his decision- making, cos he has made so many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, DRBee said: Virtually everything in this post is wrong. It's a pathetic cop out to blame injuries and bad luck . Great academy? - its a great finance drain on the club and the production of internally produced players was better 10 years ago . Many of us ( the fans I sit with ) have been season ticket holders for over 20 years and have renewed for next - the very opposite of short termist. If we see Rowett out it will be because he is a ***** manager . We just want entertaining football . getting promotion would be a bonus and not the key factor in how we judge the club. We didn't boo last night and never do. Rowett only makes excuses ( like you do ) , blames others . It's his strategy that has got us into this mess. Mel Morris is all gimmicks and needs someone to challenge his decision- making, cos he has made so many mistakes. The real problem for me is that I don't like the way we play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, toddy said: It does make me laugh, we got walloped at home by the worst team in the division last night and it was all Mel's fault.! Maybe, just maybe we are not as good as some think we are. Maybe, just maybe we are currently where we should actually be and just maybe we have been punching above our weight most of the season. Mel's fault? Not a chance! Once those players cross that white line they have to take responsibility on the pitch...... Reality check required! Erm, Mel employed the manager, and the job of the manager is to motivate the team, pick the right players and tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: I think one of the most underratted aspects of Mel's tenure is that he's been incredibly unlucky. It must be a source of huge frustration to him (and us). Taking over on the day of the playoff final, that was tough. Signing George Thorne only for him to do his cruciate that first pre-season game. Both Hughes and Bryson getting badly injured the first half of the first match of the following season. Even recently we didn't get a load of decisions at the start of the year that would have seen us cement an automatic slot after the craziness of the Lookman deal not going through in the transfer window despite both us and Everton agreeing and wanting it. But we have: a great academy; about the most highly rated young English manager; are in the playoff positions in a season of transition despite a run of poor form; and have great plans for developing the ground further. And most of all we have a wealthy chairman who loves the club and gives it incedible support at massive personal cost to try to make it a success so we'll all be happy. Fans are so short-termist. At the start of the season, had you shown them the table as it stands tonight, most would have bitten your hand off for it. Because we've over-performed for part of the season people are now disappointed, but that's down to a lack of perspective. I can still see us getting promoted this year. Mel didnt take over until Sept 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Mels appointed all these failing managers Mels splashed cash rightly or wrongly & we are worse off FFP wise probably going to have to sell again weve ended up with a disjointed aging squad from the managers he’s appointed ‘the derby way’ and made to be a national joke weve gone from being a young promising tight knit side that played entertaining football to one of the most hated teams in the division with a bunch of 30 something has beens if he walked away from the club tomorrow he’d have left it in a worse state than he found it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Can we get Rowett to sign another new deal? I’ve heard Grimsby are after him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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