Dordogne_Ram Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Ronnie Webster's class was not in doubt. He was widely regarded (ie not just in DCFC circles ) as an England international candidate, and only Alan Mullery , championed by the Southern media, was keeping him out when both were midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Whilst we’re in the past, did you know Forest won the European Cup, twice. Might boo Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The only modern player fit to lace their boots was igor and deano. igor and deano are the only two. maybe mark wright at his best. igor, deano and mark wright at his best. apart from that...... And maybe eranio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dordogne_Ram Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gerry Daly said: Maybe just a little bit biased in places Kevin, though I agree with most of it. The ones I think are debateable are Boulton v Carson - I don't think its close really, Carson much better Robson v Forsyth. Robson over the present, error prone tentative Forsyth but not over the pre injury one. Clough saw him as one to replace and brought in Nish, a totally different class player to anything we have now Hennessey v Huddlestone. Hudds for me, full England international. I know Hennessey played for Wales but he also played for Forest when they were crap Roger Davies v Martin. They weren't similar, Davies couldn't really hold it up and play clever passes but he scored goals. Hard to call, but for comparison it would be better to compare him with Jerome maybe and the jury is out on that one Bourne? Clough said maybe he should have stayed a pipe fitter. Nowhere near as good as Vydra or Nugent Steve Powell. Had a lot of serious injuries so was very one paced. Wouldn't get into our current midfield in my opinion. Similar to Bradley Johnson All of the other old team mentioned McFarland, Todd, Gemmill, Hinton and Hector were of course different class. Webster was a very good right back too, though maybe not in the class of those, nonetheless much better than we have now Bourne may have had his limitations, but he was good enough to come on as a sub. in the European Cup away game at Real Madrid, only to be substituted himself later in the game. The first time, and possibly the only time(?), that this has happened for DCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Stick today's lot on that BBG pitch and they wouldn't stand a chance. Perhaps warn them that by 70s rules, crossing the white line was licence to have the **** kicked out of you and they'd run a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 14 hours ago, RIMBAUD said: Why isn’t Nish on the list? Or Alan Durban, Rod Thomas, Mackay, George and Henry Newton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 There's a reason why they are called 'all-time' greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurich Ram Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, loweman2 said: I know which one I would rather see every Saturday ! I know which team had better handwriting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loweman2 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Dordogne_Ram said: Ronnie Webster's class was not in doubt. He was widely regarded (ie not just in DCFC circles ) as an England international candidate, and only Alan Mullery , championed by the Southern media, was keeping him out when both were midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, FindernRam said: Using the first league champions squad from 71-72 . Obviously other top players around that time. My take is that played at the BBG on mud, tackles from behind, leather ball, The old team would wipe the floor with todays team. Todd was a sweeper but I do dimly recall him playing ahead of the defence a few times maybe due to injuries. Alan Durban ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, DRBee said: Alan Durban ??? Ooops. Picked up squad from a normally reliable site. I'll tell them. Interesting fact about Alan: His debut was for Cardiff against Derby in 1959. We lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 17 hours ago, Boycie said: Aren’t current players fitter and technically more gifted than these older players? Different game back then wasn’t it? and different pitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Fitter definitely, technically more gifted probably not. Its a different game played on mud as opposed to a perfect grass carpet. It's not necessarily more physical as such but the fouls that were committed then would be sending off offences now. Far more protection from referees in the modern game. We play with much bigger squads now and have 3 subs instead of one. Players in the old days played with injuries which wouldn't happen today, I've heard of Kevin Hector for example hardly able to walk before a game so they give him a cortisone injection and he plays. This was commonplace then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 18 hours ago, toddy said: Hmm......2 goals, 11 players on a team, and 45 minutes each half? Seems very much the same game nowadays? Not even sure current players being fitter is true, it might be a myth? What would be described as good football back then would be crap football these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Playing today on billard table pitches at pace probably most of the current squad but I would say Hector, Gemmill, Todd and Macfarland would run them close. In thier day, on those pitches, with those laws, judged against their peers none of the current squad would get in, maybe Carson is the exception there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artiefufkin Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm declaring a soft spot for Roger Davies - my first league game at the BBG and we beat Luton 5-0 and big Rog got all 5. If memory serves I think he had 2 disallowed that day too. Also my Dad bought a car off him a few years ago when he was working for a local car dealership - something Chrissy Martin or any of the current squad will never need to do. A fair chunk of that 70's squad were full internationals when it was a lot harder to get international caps due to there being less international games and a much larger pool of players to choose from. I know we have some current internationals but would Chris Martin get in the 1970's Scotland team? (...mind you Don Masson did so maybe). Tom Lawrence would clearly walk into any Welsh team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 If there was a match between the 2 sides would it be : A) On a manicured Pride Park with a feather weight ball and a picky ref B) Mud plugging on the baseball ground with a wet heavy ball and a ref who considered football a contact sport. I wonder which would make the most interesting contest and who'd adapt best to the others rules and environment. Bet you Nuge and Keoggh would do alright at the BBG and Roy Mac and Alan Hinton at PP ... who else could cross the divide in either direction ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 hours ago, oldtimeram said: Or Alan Durban, Rod Thomas, Mackay, George and Henry Newton? oh Alan Durban the best midfielder Derby has ever had in my 60odd years of watching them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Probably the question should be could BC and PT improve the current squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, TommyPowel said: Probably the question should be could BC and PT improve the current squad Of course they could -and for the price of a pint and mushy pea mix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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