Jourdan Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 The transformation in Alex Pearce's Derby career this season goes to show that it is pointless writing any player off. He came here with a respectable track record as a good defender, an honest pro and an excellent servant in his time at Reading. But then we signed Shackell and with Keogh and Buxton already here, he couldn't get a look in. He was farmed out on loan to Bristol City and must have thought it was never going to work out for him here. He bided his time and waited patiently for his chance and took it. And this was close to a year in waiting. So I don't think he'll be concerned by missing a few games when he has been a revelation for us this season. I am sure he would prefer to be playing but he must know his time will come again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Who cares anymore who plays as you lot are the experts What will you say if Pearce comes back and Keogh falls over the ball and Reading beat us off his mistake ! ALL SHACKELLS FAIlURE Ask for a transfer mate they don't like you sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 46 minutes ago, Saul Pimpson said: Silly to break up the Keogh/Pearce partnership, irrelevant of how well Shackell played at WBA. Don't know why we've not tried Shackell at left back. If we going to persist with Baird & Hanson short-term then we should switch young Hanson to RB and the experienced Baird to LB. If you look at it from Pearces perspective you gotta wonder why you lost your place at Leeds. I imagine it's a little upsetting to the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Alpha said: We did lose 3-0 last time he played. Not blaming him just saying. Oh you with your common sense and reasoned thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We lost 3-0 against Norwich with Pearce and Keogh right. Ask for a transfer Shacks that was all down to you as well. Nothing to do with the rest of the teams failure in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Ninos said: If you look at it from Pearces perspective you gotta wonder why you lost your place at Leeds. I imagine it's a little upsetting to the player. I'm sure Mac will have explained his reasons behind the decision not to select him. AP seems a level headed guy that will just get his head down and work his way back into the side. He shouldn't have too much trouble in that respect if the team continues to perform as it did on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Old adage you don't change a winning side? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Yes, there individual failings at Leeds - but as a whole unit we were not good enough, we should be thankful it was only 1 we conceded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I never reply to anyone who begins a sentence with 'So...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, unclej said: I never reply to anyone who begins a sentence with 'So...' Do you just write them a letter instead, stating your disapproval of their post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Not having Pearce in the team wasn't the reason we lost at Leeds, our midfield was simply put- no one could hold onto the ball for any period of time or create any sort of chance in the Leeds area. Swap Bryson for Hughes at the start and you'd have had a different game entirely, that's where the issue can be pinpointed imo, Shackell wasn't the best but he was hardly poor in comparison to others on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Ninos said: If you look at it from Pearces perspective you gotta wonder why you lost your place at Leeds. I imagine it's a little upsetting to the player. This. All those who say don't change a winning side. We won how many with Pearce in? Won 1 with Shackell in. Lost at Leeds so bring Pearce in? What if we lost to Reading? Bring Shackell back in? Play your best players that means Pearce and not Shackell. I like Shackell but Pearce has been amazing for much of his time in the side. I cannot for the life of me understand why Mac dropped him in the first place and I cannot understand for the life of me why there is even a question mark about it. Pearce plays until such a time where he has 5 or 6 howlers on the spin. THEN Shackell gets his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 hours ago, David said: Well I sat here after the game, closed my eyes and replayed the set piece in my head with Pearce playing, he cleared the ball away with a weak header which landed to the feet of Rob Green who flicked the ball up, turned and hit a Andy Carroll style bicycle kick into the top corner. It was an unbelieveable goal, what Rob Green was doing I'll never know, I can only assume he forgot we haven't played the second half yet so went up for the last minute glory. Sadly I kept by virtual virtual reality headset on and straight after kick off Pearce went in 2 footed against Wood, ref sent him off, several players had to drag him off the pitch where Shackell was waiting, Pearce took a running kick and smashed Shackell so hard in the balls he fell back and wiped out the subs bench. I must have virtually visualised an issue between the pair where they don't get on, a similar relationship to Ince and Martin if you like. Wasnt a happy ending, Pearce had an additional 5 match ban and £1.2m fine which saw him leave the club to pay off, went to Shanghai United as he was offered 800k per week. I'm glad McClaren started Shackell. Maybe a bit less cheese before bedtime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: This. All those who say don't change a winning side. We won how many with Pearce in? Won 1 with Shackell in. Lost at Leeds so bring Pearce in? What if we lost to Reading? Bring Shackell back in? Play your best players that means Pearce and not Shackell. I like Shackell but Pearce has been amazing for much of his time in the side. I cannot for the life of me understand why Mac dropped him in the first place and I cannot understand for the life of me why there is even a question mark about it. Pearce plays until such a time where he has 5 or 6 howlers on the spin. THEN Shackell gets his chance. Agree. I actually can't recall a situation where one of your best performing players has been performing at such a high level, then rested ? for a cup match, and then dropped because the replacement had a strong game. Yes, dropped. Just really weird to me that a player got dropped this way. Unsettling too I'd bet. Hope AP just shrugs it off and moves forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ninos said: Agree. I actually can't recall a situation where one of your best performing players has been performing at such a high level, then rested ? for a cup match, and then dropped because the replacement had a strong game. Yes, dropped. Just really weird to me that a player got dropped this way. Unsettling too I'd bet. Hope AP just shrugs it off and moves forward Agree Ninos. Just for example Darren Bent scores in 9 consecutive games which we don't lose then we lose the tenth without scoring then do we drop Bent and bring in Vydra? Then Vydra plays in a cup game in which he doesn't score. Do we play Vydra again in the following league game? I mean you can't make this up. It's such a no brainer that I can't believe we're even discussing Pearce or Shackell at this point. Common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peakram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'd have played Pearce without hesitation, for me he's been the player of the season so far. Shackell was decent at West Brom but his early performances didnt inspire alot of confidence in me, very uncertain with the ball at his feet whereas Pearce used it much quicker and actually in a forwards direction. Disappointed with the decision, would hope Pearce is back for the next match or else its pretty unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Shackell didn't lose his man for the goal but did for every other set play. Bartley should have had at least 2 goals! That being said there's not much between Shackell and Pearce in terms of all round ability but I just think Pearce is much better with the ball and in the way we play we have to go with a ball playing centre half out of two of similar ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyD Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said: Watch the goal. Bradley Johnson loses his man. Shackell marks his. I'm not Shackell's biggest fan, he can't pass further than Keogh, the left back, or the holding midfielder. Which, would be fine, but it happens so slowly that it gets us in trouble when we want to play out from the back. But Shackell or Pearce, it wouldn't matter in terms of that goal, as its not his man. Thats exactly the point Why would our tallest CB and best header of a ball not be picking up their CF ? Whenever we have Shack playing we look vulnerable from set pieces and corners. He often goes missing When Pearce and Keogh play we look far less so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, unclej said: I never reply to anyone who begins a sentence with 'So...' So why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Bit of a coincidence that Derby have not been the same since the Chris Martin saga started? Not a coincidence in my opinion. Confidence is fragile and we have lost a lot of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rampage said: Bit of a coincidence that Derby have not been the same since the Chris Martin saga started? Not a coincidence in my opinion. Confidence is fragile and we have lost a lot of it. Or you know it could be to do with the serious disruption at left back and midfield over the past few games and playing 3 good sides away from home in a row ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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