Stripperg-ram Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I voted Pearce, as he's been the real difference. But I think the main point with all 4 of those players, is that anyone who's given a run of successive games (often in their preferred position) and confidence from their coach will deliver. Not always the case, but all the best teams, historically, have had a settled team, playing with an over all knowledge of who's around them and what their role is. You only have to see players like Russell and Bryson who can sometimes be maligned by us as fans for not being amazing instantly (because we've seen them score a worldly or Hat-trick against Forest a couple of years ago) But then after a run of 3-4 games can really start to hit form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I voted Johnson as he has had to do a job that he had not done before and has done very well playing just in front of the opposition centre forwards scored twice as well! bent - just doing a forward role Baird - doing what we brought him in to do pearce - yes absolutely doing his job and what he can do, quite rightly didn't get a chance last season due to others good form. Two promotions under his belt whilst captain of Reading and he scores goals but it is what he has always done johnson has re-invented himself so he deserves the credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Ellafella said: Superb assessment Sir. Thanks! I dint want to appear negative about Johnson but it's hard to bite my tongue when I see people getting carried away. I'm certain that if we had Johnson as DM with a back four of Forsyth, Buxton, Keogh, Christie then we'd be seeing the end of season 2014/15 type performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Ellafella said: At a home game {can't recall which one...but possibly under Clement} he got some stick from some fans in the East Stand following a mis-placed pass (think he was playing right midfield) and instead of trying to win the ball back he reacted by throwing his arms around and shouting back to the lower section of crowd...he didn't look good and I think, regardless of whether you think fans should or shouldn't single out players, it turned a lot of people off him. Players should let their football do the talking. I'm not sure if he has ever referred to it in an interview, but I think it's gone now and that pass V the Trees has probably re-opened everybody's eyes to the fact that he is actually a very good footballer when played in his propoer position (R-FB). He is a bit like John Eustace...no frills, but a very good brain and does the honest things with no fuss. So, he's forgiven. I don't recall it being a misplaced pass, I do recall him taking no notice of the idiotic cries from the East Stand iliterati to pump it forward. As I remember there was some sort of gesture with his arm, after which some of the ****** claimed that he swore at the crowd. Yeah, right!! as if they could hear what he said. There was nothing to forgive him for, just the fools being foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Had to plump for Pearce, the other options I knew were decent players. The way Pearce didn't get a look in at all last season, I'd assumed he'd be on his way this summer. Instead he's become a vital part of the team, it's a fantastic turnaround in his fortunes and all due to him plugging away and seizing his chance when it came. The fact he's keeping a decent player out, rather than being played through lack of options, shows how well he's done. The fact he's seems a bloody good chap is a bonus too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Just now, reveldevil said: Had to plump for Pearce, the other options I knew were decent players. The way Pearce didn't get a look in at all last season, I'd assumed he'd be on his way this summer. Instead he's become a vital part of the team, it's a fantastic turnaround in his fortunes and all due to him plugging away and seizing his chance when it came. The fact he's keeping a decent player out, rather than being played through lack of options, shows how well he's done. The fact he's seems a bloody good chap is a bonus too! Seems to work very well with Keogh as a partnership to boot. Like with Bucko, the partnership seems to be more than the sum of the parts at the moment where as with Shackell it was the sum of it's pretty decent parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, bcnram said: I don't recall it being a misplaced pass, I do recall him taking no notice of the idiotic cries from the East Stand iliterati to pump it forward. As I remember there was some sort of gesture with his arm, after which some of the ****** claimed that he swore at the crowd. Yeah, right!! as if they could hear what he said. There was nothing to forgive him for, just the fools being foolish. You are wrong, it happened directly in front of me. He made a rude gesture and told someone to F off. You are right he got abused but shouldn't have responded the way he did. It's not a hanging offence but was out of order. Nothing to forgive, I agree. But still shouldn't have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I felt Baird got a rough deal at the start of last season under Clement. I seem to remember when he signed there was a notion he'd be a new John Eustace figure, then Clement made him captain and we were dull and not winning at the start of the season and got the treatment. It's the one thing i hate about our fans - not the quietness at times, not the general boos, not the ridiculous expectations at times which are all maddening in their own right, it's when a player gets singled out and scapegoated as if they personally are doing it on purpose out of spite. I bet Gary Teale still has mental scars from his time at Derby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I felt Baird got a rough deal at the start of last season under Clement. I seem to remember when he signed there was a notion he'd be a new John Eustace figure, then Clement made him captain and we were dull and not winning at the start of the season and got the treatment. It's the one thing i hate about our fans - not the quietness at times, not the general boos, not the ridiculous expectations at times which are all maddening in their own right, it's when a player gets singled out and scapegoated as if they personally are doing it on purpose out of spite. I bet Gary Teale still has mental scars from his time at Derby.... Agree, it does seem to be a thing that derby fans do, go after a scape goat. Im never one for going after somone who is new at the club. Id much rather have a go at someone who can produce the odd goal but on the whole cant be arsed and has little end product. Give me a hard worker over a luxary player anyday. Prior to the current run, I would have rathered 10 chris bairds and 0 Tom Inces. Give me Darryl powells over no end product kinkladze anyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminphilippines Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I have gone for Bent because he is playing in a way he has never played in his life, and to change at his age is impressive and shows just how good a coach McClaren is. So my choice is out of respect of Bent for trying a new way of playing at his age and respect to McClaren in getting him to change his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Doodle said: You are wrong, it happened directly in front of me. He made a rude gesture and told someone to F off. You are right he got abused but shouldn't have responded the way he did. It's not a hanging offence but was out of order. Nothing to forgive, I agree. But still shouldn't have happened He was well away from the touchline, I congratulate you on your hearing. If by chance he did happen to say F off, then so what? He is human, if people cannot take it and get offended, then they shouldn't give it. I bet not one of those who were abusing him would do it to his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 All of them, however I never doubted that they would, given the guidance by a man manager and not a dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Johnson for me. Making the DM position his has been key in our good fortunes lately. So much of our play hinges on that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Pearce for me but I'd buy them all a drink. Pearce has been a colossus in the heart of the defence, Brad has shown us the player we signed and what a player, Baird has shown that in his best position he can more than do a job and Darren has looked sharp and is amongst the goals again. Quite simply, chuffed as **** with the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Paul71 said: I'll have a drop of what your on Obviously referring to pub football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, 86 points said: Pearce for me but I'd buy them all a drink. Pearce has been a colossus in the heart of the defence, Brad has shown us the player we signed and what a player, Baird has shown that in his best position he can more than do a job and Darren has looked sharp and is amongst the goals again. Quite simply, chuffed as **** with the lot of them. Couldn't put it any better, voted for Pearce but again couldn't put it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 18.12.2016 at 15:04, Sparkle said: I voted Johnson as he has had to do a job that he had not done before and has done very well playing just in front of the opposition centre forwards scored twice as well! bent - just doing a forward role Baird - doing what we brought him in to do pearce - yes absolutely doing his job and what he can do, quite rightly didn't get a chance last season due to others good form. Two promotions under his belt whilst captain of Reading and he scores goals but it is what he has always done johnson has re-invented himself so he deserves the credit I went for Johnson too. Change in his game has been so drastic, so it just has to be appreciated. But IMO same could be said about Bent, he is more complete forward than before and team is really reaping the rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Pearce for me has been inspirational. He didn't really have a chance last year but once he got the chance this year he's grabbed it with a vengeance. Bent and baird have proved me wrong for writing them both off as past it. Johnson was always someone we knew could play , thank goodness he's got his mojo back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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