nottingram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Well yes but mistakes happened, just like today. Mistakes always happen. Let's not pretend Shackell doesn't make mistakes shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 20 minutes ago, Albert said: Moving to one striker would also give the wide men a bit more freedom as well, making them essentially forwards, we could call it 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3. Would definitely suit the majority of the team, but then we have the problem of the striker. Vydra has always struggled as a lone forward according to Watford and Reading fans and we've probably got under a 20% win percentage with Bent there. And I doubt Wilson, Blackman or Weimann would have much success without a strike partner either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 You can't just blame one part of the team, its from top to bottom. This is the first time in over 30 years of supporting Derby that I don't actually give a crap. It certainly wont spoil my Saturday night or rest of the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, Angry Ram said: So he comes unstuck when asked to defend... My point exactly. That wasn't exactly my point. Sure he makes mistakes but when we are playing an attacking, high pressing style with a high defensive line his pace and his ability on the ball are key to the play style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, brady1993 said: That wasn't exactly my point. Sure he makes mistakes but when we are playing an attacking, high pressing style with a high defensive line his pace and his ability on the ball are key to the play style. I've checked his job description and it definately says defender.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said: Would definitely suit the majority of the team, but then we have the problem of the striker. Vydra has always struggled as a lone forward according to Watford and Reading fans and we've probably got under a 20% win percentage with Bent there. And I doubt Wilson, Blackman or Weimann would have much success without a strike partner either. Whilst this is true. I could see it working if he's well supported by the midfield and wide forwards. Particularly if the front three is allowed to be fluid with each playing rotating between the positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedcfc Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 29 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Of course you defend as a team. And the defence has seemed the least of our problems this season. However, when we finally scored a home league goal I was imaging the team would come together with great new resolve and say to each other that we will do everything to keep this lead. Blackburn will not pass. The season turns round now. Instead we concede two goals in three minutes. Somewhere there is a huge lack of mental strength among these players. I don't see how people can blame Pearson for the players condeding two in such quick succession, nor for conceding in the final minute at Bristol. For me the players have shown their true colours and it's likely that significant further changes are going to be required. Gutless. It looks as if we're taking two steps back to hopefully go three or four forward. It's very probably going to be a grim transitional season. At least Vydra scored... I keep telling myself that (about the steps forward) but there's no guarantee they will come. We were so close the last 3 years and we've decided to reinvent the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, brady1993 said: Whilst this is true. I could see it working if he's well supported by the midfield and wide forwards. Particularly if the front three is allowed to be fluid with each playing rotating between the positions. There's another problem though. For the two centre mids to have freedom to support the striker they really need a holding mid to cover for them, so that means someone playing out of their natural position for a few months until Thorne's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarrowRam Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Our defence has always been a worry. We never look confident. You see other teams and their defence is rock solid. Ours always looks nervous and ready to concide a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, Cam the Ram said: There's another problem though. For the two centre mids to have freedom to support the striker they really need a holding mid to cover for them, so that means someone playing out of their natural position for a few months until Thorne's back. True but surely Johnson we could be adapted to that position or we could play Hanson ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 We haven't actually got many of those, but the system we play we are wide open with our two best attacking midfielders trying to defend all the time, I do not rate Carson either another who helped take Wigan down from the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 50 minutes ago, nottingram said: Mistakes always happen. Let's not pretend Shackell doesn't make mistakes shall we? No where near as frequent with him on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Well having got home from the match my assessment is the defence is crap ,the midfield non existent and the attack is powered puff.Apart from that we are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser_23 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Sol Bamba already training with dcfc. Deal to be completed by Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: No where near as frequent with him on the field... I would bring up stats pointing out how we concede a pretty much identical number of goals per 90 minutes with and without him but it's a Saturday night and I can't really be bothered, but such stars do exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 18 minutes ago, nottingram said: I would bring up stats pointing out how we concede a pretty much identical number of goals per 90 minutes with and without him but it's a Saturday night and I can't really be bothered, but such stars do exist. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure last season we set some sort of defensive record.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 32 minutes ago, Fraser_23 said: Sol Bamba already training with dcfc. Deal to be completed by Thursday if true then we have our very own wes morgan. NP likes to stick to what he knows doesnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: We haven't actually got many of those, but the system we play we are wide open with our two best attacking midfielders trying to defend all the time, I do not rate Carson either another who helped take Wigan down from the championship. Exactly this, how many shots has he saved this season? Today 2 shots on goal = 2 conceded Ipswich 2 shots on goal = 1 conceded He needs dropping and so does Keogh and Christie the last 2 are reckless and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 3 hours ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Those 2 goals were just inept defending. You can't blame the system for that. Shackell gets slated because he can't play a 30 yard diagonal, but he's a bloody good defender. Pearce lost more than he won in the air today. Unacceptable Your completely right, shackell can't play a 30 yard pass, the problem being he thinks he can. As a straight defender we missed him today and I would have him above both keogh and Pearce in that respect but distribution wise he's a liability. just depends what your preference is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think that Shackell has been appalling this season. He's always struggled with passing, but now he's lost all positional sense, looks slower than the Titanic and completely disinterested. Pearce hasn't been perfect, but a he has been a significant improvement on Shackell. Then there's the rumours of dressing room issues which feature Shackell. I have absolutely no idea if they are true, but if they are, he shouldn't be in the team anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.