SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Brilliant, aren't they. Both goals an absolute shambles. Why do they continue to back off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 It's not the defenders, it the whole style and system. We've trashed a side and a system that nearly got us up in three consecutive systems, and in it's place now have this garbage. The changes aren't working, and the question now is whether we bed in for the long haul and wait for the side to adjust or cut our losses and bring someone in who can actually manage Derby as Derby. I'm at a loss to see where we are going, and at this point have zero confidence in Mel's Derby. All the money in the World can't cover terrible work in the backroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just mentioned in the other thread, those who were asking for shackell to be dropped are idiots, look what happens when he doesn't play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I suggested a 3 at the back a while back. I'll try and bump the thread up if I can find it. We can't defend so more protection is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, McLovin said: I suggested a 3 at the back a while back. I'll try and bump the thread up if I can find it. We can't defend so more protection is needed Here's a novel idea, we could play a defensive midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, brady1993 said: Here's a novel idea, we could play a defensive midfielder. That would be all well and good but our only good cdm is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Albert said: It's not the defenders, it the whole style and system. We've trashed a side and a system that nearly got us up in three consecutive systems, and in it's place now have this garbage. The changes aren't working, and the question now is whether we bed in for the long haul and wait for the side to adjust or cut our losses and bring someone in who can actually manage Derby as Derby. I'm at a loss to see where we are going, and at this point have zero confidence in Mel's Derby. All the money in the World can't cover terrible work in the backroom. Those 2 goals were just inept defending. You can't blame the system for that. Shackell gets slated because he can't play a 30 yard diagonal, but he's a bloody good defender. Pearce lost more than he won in the air today. Unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: Here's a novel idea, we could play a defensive midfielder. Moving to one striker would also give the wide men a bit more freedom as well, making them essentially forwards, we could call it 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, McLovin said: That would be all well and good but our only good cdm is injured Johnson could do a job there. Hanson deputised there well last season. Or Pearson could have spotted the obvious and brought one in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Of course you defend as a team. And the defence has seemed the least of our problems this season. However, when we finally scored a home league goal I was imaging the team would come together with great new resolve and say to each other that we will do everything to keep this lead. Blackburn will not pass. The season turns round now. Instead we concede two goals in three minutes. Somewhere there is a huge lack of mental strength among these players. I don't see how people can blame Pearson for the players condeding two in such quick succession, nor for conceding in the final minute at Bristol. For me the players have shown their true colours and it's likely that significant further changes are going to be required. Gutless. It looks as if we're taking two steps back to hopefully go three or four forward. It's very probably going to be a grim transitional season. At least Vydra scored... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Just mentioned in the other thread, those who were asking for shackell to be dropped are idiots, look what happens when he doesn't play Said it looks along, Keogh is only half decent when he has a better player beside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 The same defenders were fine last season? Managers who can manage on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, Albert said: Moving to one striker would also give the wide men a bit more freedom as well, making them essentially forwards, we could call it 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3. I'm sorry I don't understand. You mean you don't have to play two up top ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Said it looks along, Keogh is only half decent when he has a better player beside him. Absolutely agree, good defender and passer- but panics too much and makes errors without shackell, why he's captain I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Said it looks along, Keogh is only half decent when he has a better player beside him. Keogh's great when the team is pressing high up the pitch and your looking to control the game, in fact he's probably the best centre back in the league when those are your tactics. He comes unstuck when he's asked to sit back and your just looking to contain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, nottingram said: The same defenders were fine last season? Managers who can manage on the other hand... Pearce didn't play last season. Keogh only performs with Shackell next too him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Pearce didn't play last season. Keogh only performs with Shackell next too him That's not exactly true, he frequently played well when paired with Bucko as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Pearce didn't play last season. Keogh only performs with Shackell next too him Keogh is fine with Shackell and fine without him. Pearce I agree maybe isn't as good a defender as Shackell but the fact they both have no protection and screen in front of them lands firmly at Pearson's door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, brady1993 said: That's not exactly true, he frequently played well when paired with Bucko as well. Well yes but mistakes happened, just like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Keogh's great when the team is pressing high up the pitch and your looking to control the game, in fact he's probably the best centre back in the league when those are your tactics. He comes unstuck when he's asked to sit back and your just looking to contain. So he comes unstuck when asked to defend... My point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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