What are the coaches doing?

[cannable]

Steve McClaren was a midfielder as a player but is one of the best defensive coaches in the world but sets his team's up to attack.

It's not as simple as somebody coaching in their old playing position.

[Angry Ram]

The whole academy system is flawed and does not work.. Coaches just deliver what the academy manager or the first team manager wants, they don't get to free think, so any decent ones work outside the system.

Academys need to be dispensed and a more FA run, central system introduced.

Morris has wAsted loads of money in this area. The system will throw out the odd success but more often than not it is that the lad is exceptional not that the system has produced him.

 

[Ellafella]

11 hours ago, Cool As Custard said:

Change takes time - to get a team aligned with the right parts all playing effectively doesn't happen overnight. There was clear improvement yesterday but it will be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back over the next 6 months or so.

Newcastle are a good side with an excellent coach. We are not in the same league as them right now and won't be challenging this season. Once people lower their expectations and let Pearson get on with things it will help both him, the coaches and the players.

 

How long has the Spanish Waitor been in charge of the Geordies? They have half a new squad. How come they are so far ahead yet their manager is still new? And their players yet to get to know one another? How come they don't need either 10 games or till Christmas? 

[Van der MoodHoover]

43 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

How long has the Spanish Waitor been in charge of the Geordies? They have half a new squad. How come they are so far ahead yet their manager is still new? And their players yet to get to know one another? How come they don't need either 10 games or till Christmas? 

Precisely so.

Zenga at wolves is doing better. Montanier at forest for chrissakes has got them going better than pearson has managed with us, despite being undermined by that nut job chairman. 

The only newbie in the championship who is producing worse results and performance than pearson is Owen coyle. And he has all sorts of mitigation. 

Oh well. We had our couple of seasons flirting with the big boys. 

 

[Alph]

wtf do any of us know about what goes on at Moor Farm to decide who is or isn't a good coach

What do you want from your coaches? Do you have a clue? Do you have the slightest idea what Kevin Phillips does or not do. 

Oh I see, We're not scoring goals. Blame the coach that used to be a striker for not teaching our strikers how to kick the ball in the goal. And er, blame Idiakez for the terrible football too. He should be teaching these lads how to pass.... Jesus Christ. 

Pearson picked his coaches. Let him worry about whether the info he wants to pass on is being done so correctly by his team. 

It's the same **** when people talk about Captains. "well I think Dave should be captain"

Why? Is he popular? Does he understand positioning and the role of every player? Does he have a good understanding of the game plan? Do others listen to him? Is he too confrontational? Is he too timid? Is he an alpha male within the group?

You don't know. Because all these blokes work together every day. They eat together, drive together, run on exercise bikes together, party together..

And we see them a couple of hours per week from a distance. 

Maybe worry less about the day to day stuff and just look at what you're being served. You're a customer not a cook in this restaurant. If your food tastes ***** you don't need to know the full process of how it went from farmyard to your plate. Do you like the service? That's all you need to know. You don't complain to the junior chef. You either don't go again or you ask to speak to the manager. Because the manager takes responsibility for his staff. That's his job... management 

[The_Sheriff]

No we don't know what happens but surely we do know Philips came in as a striker coach.

I posted this last season about Philips when Martin was on one of his lengthy goal draughts and got moaned at!

One things for sure since he has came in the goals have dried up.

[bcnram]

4 minutes ago, Simsy said:

No we don't know what happens but surely we do know Philips came in as a striker coach.

I posted this last season about Philips when Martin was on one of his lengthy goal draughts and got moaned at!

One things for sure since he has came in the goals have dried up.

He came in as coach not specifically a striker coach. 

[The_Sheriff]

1 minute ago, bcnram said:

He came in as coach not specifically a striker coach.

so there is a chance a guy who spent all his football career as a striker scoring crazy amount of goals hasn't came in to teach our strikers pointers of how to score?

[G STAR RAM]

17 minutes ago, Simsy said:

No we don't know what happens but surely we do know Philips came in as a striker coach.

I posted this last season about Philips when Martin was on one of his lengthy goal draughts and got moaned at!

One things for sure since he has came in the goals have dried up.

Another thing for sure is that the service to the strikers has also dried up.

If we were missing chance after chance then I could understand criticism, if we are blaming him because our strikers are failing to convert balls being pumped 5 yards over their heads toward the corner flags then I think we are being harsh!

[bcnram]

44 minutes ago, Simsy said:

so there is a chance a guy who spent all his football career as a striker scoring crazy amount of goals hasn't came in to teach our strikers pointers of how to score?

Not specifically. 

I haven't seen our strikers missing too many sitters. The problem is elsewhere. 

[Cool As Custard]

10 hours ago, Ellafella said:

How long has the Spanish Waitor been in charge of the Geordies? They have half a new squad. How come they are so far ahead yet their manager is still new? And their players yet to get to know one another? How come they don't need either 10 games or till Christmas? 

He's a better manager, has had more money to spend, a squad of better more experienced players & it still took them until the 3rd game to get a win. 

We have no divine right to be successful. People need to stop feeling as though we are entitled to win every game and be up there challenging. Whether you like it or not we are a team going through change and it takes time for that to take effect - it's different in every case and to try and compare our situation to Newcastle is nieve at best at just plain stupid and worst.

Get behind the team and let Pearson get on with the job. There was improvement on Satuarday and as long as we continue to  improve game by game then he and the team deserve our patience and support.

 

[Derbados]

Completely agree with the academy points. As much as a mess Forest are in they have bought through some very good academy players.

yesterday against villa they had Osborn and cash playing, Burke would have almost certainly had starred had he not been sold. 

Weve spent millions on the academy, we probably have some of the best facilities in the division yet we can't seem to bring anyone through. 

[TomBustler1884]

Our strikers seem perfectly capable of scoring from 18 yards when they warm up in front of the South Stand. Granted no defenders are in the way!

Thing is, there are occasions in games when they have enough space to let fly around the edge of the box but none of them seem confident enough to do it. Just have a hit!!!

[bcnram]

1 hour ago, Derbados said:

Completely agree with the academy points. As much as a mess Forest are in they have bought through some very good academy players.

yesterday against villa they had Osborn and cash playing, Burke would have almost certainly had starred had he not been sold. 

Weve spent millions on the academy, we probably have some of the best facilities in the division yet we can't seem to bring anyone through. 

Throwing a few million at an academy isn't a magic spell to make some outstanding players appear. It is a very long term plan. 

[bcnram]

13 hours ago, Angry Ram said:

The whole academy system is flawed and does not work.. Coaches just deliver what the academy manager or the first team manager wants, they don't get to free think, so any decent ones work outside the system.

Academys need to be dispensed and a more FA run, central system introduced.

Morris has wAsted loads of money in this area. The system will throw out the odd success but more often than not it is that the lad is exceptional not that the system has produced him.

 

Clubs like Southampton would probably rubbish your comment. 

[Angry Ram]

6 minutes ago, bcnram said:

Clubs like Southampton would probably rubbish your comment. 

Really? Depends on what you call success. People always big up Southampton and yes without a doubt one of the better ones.

success ratio? You seem to think they are good, so will let you come back on that.

 

I will counter your Southampton with Chelsea.

[Ramshankered]

Isn't it more a case that you need a first team Manager brave enough to throw academy players into the mix?

With teams like Forest (and us under Nige Clough), they've had limited funds to bring in established players, so academy players are put in the first team as a stop gap. 

Obviously it's all hypothetical, but I'm not sure Clough would've played Hughes or Hendrick if he had access to the kind of funds Clement and Pearson have had.

[Tamworthram]

3 hours ago, Derbados said:

Completely agree with the academy points. As much as a mess Forest are in they have bought through some very good academy players.

yesterday against villa they had Osborn and cash playing, Burke would have almost certainly had starred had he not been sold. 

Weve spent millions on the academy, we probably have some of the best facilities in the division yet we can't seem to bring anyone through. 

But, we had Hughes playing and Hendrick probably would have got on the pitch had he not been sold. So, not that much different. 

[TuffLuff]

2 hours ago, The 1884 Group said:

Our strikers seem perfectly capable of scoring from 18 yards when they warm up in front of the South Stand. Granted no defenders are in the way!

Thing is, there are occasions in games when they have enough space to let fly around the edge of the box but none of them seem confident enough to do it. Just have a hit!!!

One of my biggest frustrations this! Teams that come to the Ipro tend to sit deep and make it tight (hence the amount of attacks coming to throw ins or a poor pass). If they had a shot rather than trying to get it wide they might not score that time, but next time we attack we might pull a defender out of position and be able to slip a ball through to someone with space to do something.

Also have a chuffin' run at them!