SaintRam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I've not read anything, is Shackell on a plane to Holland? Nah, he's looking to see if Clement's married Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 No more signings. It will take time to gel. If short get loans in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 This is sad about Keogh. He's only made a handful of mistakes but because they were big mistakes at the worst possible time, it's stuck with him.However as the previous team captain he's now being usurped by newcomers. Baird and Pearce both being potential new captains and now Shackell. That relegates him to "just" being one of the centre backs. For someone like Keogh who IS a good Championship defender, it really leaves him in an awkward position in a team that is constantly pushing forward to the future.I wouldn't mind if it was a situation where we were happy for Keogh to stay but free to leave if the right offer came along, but to try and "force" him out? I'm not happy with that.I'd rather we forced Warnock and Shotton to **** off before Keogh.Handful?I'm afraid Clement has watched more than one game before deciding to sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Handful? I'm afraid Clement has watched more than one game before deciding to sell him. Clement's decided to sell him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Clement's decided to sell him? If not, then I'm suprised. Let's put it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Keogh's playing a lot of mins in our friendlies though, isn't he? (More than Shack's managed for Burnley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 In fact, I've seen 10x as many posts calling for Brayford back than Shackell since both left.Well, obviously.Brayford was always in a position where people would think we stood a realistic chance of having him back.He couldn't get a game with Cardiff in the PL "might as well bring him back here". He goes on loan to / signs permanently for Sheffield United in League One "he's better than that, we should have brought him back here" (with a spell getting games for Cardiff in between)At no point in the last 3 seasons would anyone have thought we had a chance to get Shackell back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Well, obviously.Brayford was always in a position where people would think we stood a realistic chance of having him back.He couldn't get a game with Cardiff in the PL "might as well bring him back here". He goes on loan to / signs permanently for Sheffield United in League One "he's better than that, we should have brought him back here" (with a spell getting games for Cardiff in between)At no point in the last 3 seasons would anyone have thought we had a chance to get Shackell back, hence "we shouldn't have got rid of him" not "we should get him back" Fair point, well made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I've not read anything, is Shackell on a plane to Holland?No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 don't get complacent lads , we got our man after only 150 pages .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Think "tapping up" rules have died a death because you'd have to prove it. Doubt the conversation was recorded and even if it was he could just deny it later. Will all go indirectly to the players via agents and the club could be enquiring about the availability of any of their clients so unless the phones were tapped what can you do?um.......makes our displeasure with schteve mcclaren look a bit two faced though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaphaRam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 This is sad about Keogh. He's only made a handful of mistakes but because they were big mistakes at the worst possible time, it's stuck with him.However as the previous team captain he's now being usurped by newcomers. Baird and Pearce both being potential new captains and now Shackell. That relegates him to "just" being one of the centre backs. For someone like Keogh who IS a good Championship defender, it really leaves him in an awkward position in a team that is constantly pushing forward to the future.I wouldn't mind if it was a situation where we were happy for Keogh to stay but free to leave if the right offer came along, but to try and "force" him out? I'm not happy with that.I'd rather we forced Warnock and Shotton to **** off before Keogh.you couldn't get a bigger mistake than a sweet pass to zamora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 To cut a long story short, Keogh is still the best cb at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 you couldn't get a bigger mistake than a sweet pass to zamora.No, that was Fozzy's and Bucko's mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShepherdOfTheRams Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I saw Sky Sports raving about this, and I was like "Lmao nah" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckle Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Does anyone think he will sort out our, ahem, Ramshackle defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryram Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 To cut a long stort short, Keogh is still the best cb at the club. behave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 behaveHe was our best CB last season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 No, that was Fozzy's and Bucko's mistake. you couldn't get a bigger mistake than a sweet pass to zamora.He was on his heels as he was running towards the goal, just tried to get something on it as his instinct told him the ball was already going to a QPR player.As Gypsy says, there were a number (3, I think) of horrendous mistakes leading up to Keogh's, mistakes you'd be annoyed at someone making in a training session. It was more bad luck from Keogh than a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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