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may be unpopular amongst some but the reality is they try to overcomplicate with jargon and tedious explanations because if it was all simplified people would see through it and know its all built on a house of cards
 
yes it can generate returns that not many things can so quickly which is its appeal especially for those that dont have time or money for long term investment but there isnt much logic as to why it is a wise investment other than fear of missing out and the main reason its propped up is due to criminal activity and unregulation

may be unpopular amongst some but the reality is they try to overcomplicate with jargon and tedious explanations because if it was all simplified people would see through it and know its all built on a house of cards
 
yes it can generate returns that not many things can so quickly which is its appeal especially for those that dont have time or money for long term investment but there isnt much logic as to why it is a wise investment other than fear of missing out and the main reason its propped up is due to criminal activity and unregulation

Relax. The last time we got promoted on shaky foundations the following season was a breeze...

bradley is a really dislikable footballer, reminds me of t. lawrence just seems to have about 3 brain cells and that's being kind

the league is crap and it's an especially crap division this year compared to previous years
 
you are completely correct we can be rubbish and still go up, it will be a huge disapointment if we arent in the championship next year
 
the teams that came down have been terrible but will sort themselves out by next year, the teams coming down this year will be much better & more worryingly the teams coming up from league two will likely be at the top end of the division so whatever we achieve this season next year is going to be much harder

bradley is a really dislikable footballer, reminds me of t. lawrence just seems to have about 3 brain cells and that's being kind

the league is crap and it's an especially crap division this year compared to previous years
 
you are completely correct we can be rubbish and still go up, it will be a huge disapointment if we arent in the championship next year
 
the teams that came down have been terrible but will sort themselves out by next year, the teams coming down this year will be much better & more worryingly the teams coming up from league two will likely be at the top end of the division so whatever we achieve this season next year is going to be much harder

massive opportunity blown, we will have to respond immediately.
 
this will give all those chasing us a big boost, if we had won today it would have felt like a defeat for everyone else

bradley is a really dislikable footballer, reminds me of t. lawrence just seems to have about 3 brain cells and that's being kind

no better way to break the curse then!

exactly why would you nail yourself so rigidly to an opinion and not let anything that actually happens change it?
 
that is just petty and makes the points you make kind of irrelevant because you arent judging them objectively
 
i am not warnes biggest fan at all but hands up today was very good and if it continues i will be more than happy

this is the bottom line we need to get out this division and it doesnt matter how we do it
 
but the issue becomes if we dont get out of the division we are in big trouble because yet again we will need another rebuild but thats warnes way. if it doesnt work and we dont go up that its been a terrible decision to hire and keep him but if we go up then its paid off . whether he can take us to where we want to be as a championship club thats a different discussion because based on what i have seen and history i am not sure he will take us much further than mid table of the championship at the most but lets hope we have that problem

exactly why would you nail yourself so rigidly to an opinion and not let anything that actually happens change it?
 
that is just petty and makes the points you make kind of irrelevant because you arent judging them objectively
 
i am not warnes biggest fan at all but hands up today was very good and if it continues i will be more than happy

i dont think it matters how we go up as long as we do.
 
if you were guarenteed promotion there is no better place to do it than wembley even with all the stress it brings

Have your opinion, fine, but if that will never ever change regardless of anything, why are you even here discussing it?

We've been over this so many times. But you clearly cannot grasp it and feel you have to surface whenever the first team win a game.
Ok, here it is again, please try to understand it this time....
We do not "hate" Warne.
We just believe he should do better with the squad he has, the resources that he has available and make better use of the academy.
We do not agree with many of his team selections, his tactics or his substitutions.
Yes, we beat a very poor, low lying Port Vale, rah, rah, rah but can you look further than that - at the longer term future of the club?

What on earth is going on

Fantastic post and what I have been crying out for all along
 
i I think anyone with eyes can see our current way of operating both on and off the pitch isn’t sustainable. Feels like every year we are gonna be approaching a rebuild and when warne goes somebody with a completely different playstyle will come in and need another rebuild 
 
I can’t fault warne for league position as he is doing what is asked of him. but deep down I worry there is no long term sustainability to what is happening and we will end up like rotherham if warne stays

I really liked the theory that was laid out in the final couple of years of Mel’s tenure (frightening sentence, I know). The idea that over half the first team would be made up of academy players, with high quality loans to cover shorter term gaps and good signings brought in to cover areas where there were no players coming through. I thought this was quite a good model in the modern day. It would attract youngsters with high ceilings to the club as their was a clear path to the first team, build confidence with other clubs to lend us their best talent, and allow us to spend decent money on players as academy players would be pure profit. It seemed to align academy with first team and present a good vision for a modern sustainable football club. 
 
I think we were maybe a couple of seasons from seeing it come to fruition too. We were looking at having a team/squad with the potential of having Knight, Bird, Sibley, Thompson, Delap, Gordon, Kellyman, Cashin, Ebosele, Buchanan, Whitaker, Plange, and Williams all drawn from our own academy in it. We all know why it never happened, and the initial idea behind it may have been pushed by outside factors, but looking at the idea on paper it showed a club well aligned in philosophy, both in development and recruitment.
At the moment I don’t really know what the plan is. Academy players don’t seem to be anywhere near it. That might be due to the club being gutted and them not being to the standard but they never seem to be given a chance. The recruitment seems to be focused on older players, but they don’t appear to fit a system. Cocu spoke about having all teams playing the same way so younger players can step up, which seems really sensible, but currently our first team doesn’t seem to have a consistent way of playing let alone something aligned through the age groups. I think we could do with really setting out a clear goal and a philosophy and working towards it. It would really allow supporters to buy into the vision and direction. Build trust and patience. And, as I think supporters often back their academy graduates the most, really build a unity between team and fans. 

No obviously - hopefully it doesn’t become a trend but another season in this crap league will stop around 2,000 season ticket holders from attending I suspect 

to be honest i just watch a lot of premier league football because i have family interest and find myself watching a fair amount of forest matches. as a neutral i dont watch any of our league or championship. when im not watching us i am watch the prem. i just think half the stuff on this thread is petty and comes across as desperation when laughing at them ( like the attendences) whether you agree with me or you think i am a secret forest lover thats your prerogative

to be honest i just watch a lot of premier league football because i have family interest and find myself watching a fair amount of forest matches. as a neutral i dont watch any of our league or championship. when im not watching us i am watch the prem. i just think half the stuff on this thread is petty and comes across as desperation when laughing at them ( like the attendences) whether you agree with me or you think i am a secret forest lover thats your prerogative

to be honest i just watch a lot of premier league football because i have family interest and find myself watching a fair amount of forest matches. as a neutral i dont watch any of our league or championship. when im not watching us i am watch the prem. i just think half the stuff on this thread is petty and comes across as desperation when laughing at them ( like the attendences) whether you agree with me or you think i am a secret forest lover thats your prerogative

No, he’s talking sense