alram

The average height of the squad has got higher, is that an improvement?

4 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

With 3 yrs on their contracts it's probably a million quid pay off.  We'll have to wait till next year unless we stick them on gardening leave and force the issue by continuing to pay them on a monthly basis and bring in someone else. 

The most turgid, insipid dross I've watched in 40 years bar the last 10 games of 07/08 where they clearly couldn't give a s***.

The amount of injuries we're now getting is insane as well.  What the hell are they doing in training, assault courses

and at least in 07/08 we were getting torn apart by quality opposition, the teams we are playing in this league are genuinely terrible. 

this is the weakest league one for years thats the most concerning thing.

2 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

With 3 yrs on their contracts it's probably a million quid pay off.  We'll have to wait till next year unless we stick them on gardening leave and force the issue by continuing to pay them on a monthly basis and bring in someone else. 

The most turgid, insipid dross I've watched in 40 years bar the last 10 games of 07/08 where they clearly couldn't give a s***.

The amount of injuries we're now getting is insane as well.  What the hell are they doing in training, assault courses

there will be a break clause, there is in most contracts unless clowes didnt dot the t's and cross the i's.

it will cost us to sack him but its highly doubtful it will be the full contract likely 1 year notice or something, that of course is just guess work but that is the industry standard

It's just draining isn't it, Clowes needs to act before this season fades into nothing. He didn't hestitate to get rid of Roseiner. Why Warne? It was a clear mistake getting him.

14 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

You are more likely to score goal when you have the ball, than when you do not.

You are more likely to concede a goal when the opposition have the ball, as opposed to not having the ball.

You are more likely to have possession of the ball playing out from the back, as opposed to playing it long and thus inviting a 50/50 duel.

There are of course incidents when a long punt forward can result in a goal. And when playing out from the back can result in conceding a goal.

But there is a reason why the best teams play out from the back. It’s the most difficult to coach from a technical standpoint, and that’s why some teams look horrible when trying it.

 

The best also know when to go long though

you watch Man City nowadays and with Haaland they often go long, they rarely ever concede a goal playing out from the back because they know when to mix it up something a lot of stubborn managers don’t do because of their own pride

1 hour ago, Yoxoram said:

Can someone please explain to me how playing out from the back is good and moving the ball forward quickly is bad? I've just watched Southampton's playing out from the back costing them two goals yet when they moved the ball forward quickly they scored. I keep seeing teams playing out from the back getting into trouble! Don't get it myself. But what do I know from my 50 plus years of involvement in the game.

Russel Martin is the absolute extreme and does it for the sake of it, his teams concede countless unnecessary goals because he insists on it simply due to his own stubbornness

what are the chances of notts county being in this league next year, looking likely

21 hours ago, David said:

Points deductions cannot be the answer, why are the management team and players punished for something out of their control?

When the players were not paid on time, they were given another point deduction, double whammy there, much like ourselves when the points deduction relegated us. 

Playing at a lower level, potentially missing out on international call ups, wage, bonus decrease....ok the club sees a loss of revenue and that hurts the owners in the pocket, yet those that are punished the most are everyone under the ownership.

You have to issue fines to the owners, not insignificant fines that leave owners taking the risk. Withdrawing TV revenue money and other bonuses issued by the league. 

Fines that make owners know that when entering the game they cannot F around here and take the piss. 

Reading might be a terrible away day, their ground might be half empty with no atmosphere, but the staff, players, fans they don't deserve any of this. 

because management team, players and fans benefit from cheating the system

there is no other option than to punish clubs with points deductions

fines mean nothing to a billionaire owner, you would just get billionaires taking fines and having a huge advantage over everyone else. We could sign ronaldo next week and they just give our owner a £5m fine for breaking rules, how is that any better than a points deduction? most of the clubs are bankrolled by owners including us so what would be the point of that.

Just now, Foreveram said:

Have you ever watched a horse race, it’s not necessarily the horse that jumps the first fence that wins the race.

i totally agree, i am not saying we wont. i am just saying we should be challenging this year because the league is so weak

but if we continue how we are doing we wont even challenge the playoffs

2 hours ago, trappatoni said:

Yes a cat A academy in this division must be almost unprecedented - possibly unique?   It's a huge expense and only makes sense if the manager full buys into the project.   

 

That said there is the caveat that the academy was gutted so perhaps right now the talent isnt there - but set against that the talent only has to break into a L1 side. 

 

Medium term though we absolutely have to have a manager who looks to the academy players.  It's why IF Warne goes I'd at least consider Warburton.  I know he felt bitter Forest sacked him when he was bringing through youth which subsequent managers benefited from. 

he played youth because thats all that fawaz left him with much like mel, the fat greek got rid of him sharpish 

if we want a youth development coach i would be looking at the premier league u23 sides, we are not in a position to attract managers with good track records at this level, we will have to think outside the box and get one before somebody else does

2 hours ago, Foreveram said:

So seriously, what do you want done.

for us to look like we might challenge for promotion would be a start

1 minute ago, Foreveram said:

Yeah, three points off the playoffs and a whopping four points off the top two and only 40 more games to play, looks like we’ve blown it😂.

yes all is hunky dory, not like we have been playing like crap even when we have been getting points

13 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Whataboutism isn't really making the point you think it is here... When a company goes into administration, the reality is that the CEO doesn't ordinarily get the luxury of retaining their position. The captain usually has to go down with the ship. It's not about whether he stood up to Mel, it's why in this case, when the club is having a complete overhaul, the CEO and former CFO who presided over one of the most dodgy financial periods in the club's history, has kept his job when that defies the usual process?

I've wondered whether Clowes retaining him could simply be due to the fact he knows where the skeletons are, and that knowledge may still be needed to properly rectify the issues and stabilise the club short-term... Plus, all the talk of Pearce really trying to keep the club going during admin- he was probably trying to save his job and retain a wage, that was likely entirely borne out of self interest, rather than a genuine compassion for the club and its fans. 

I just find it strange that with little to no information or context we have on the matter, so many are backing him at this point, even though he was literally Mel's right-hand man...

 

yes bang on right you have articulated much better than i did

pearce should have been gone. 

2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

That doesnt answer the question Alram.

if that doesn’t answer your question then you should be asking the man yourself as that’s the only person able to answer your question

my opinion is the club should have been gutted with everybody responsible for that cancerous regime and Pearce was at the heart of it

i suppose all those working at nazi concentration camps were just following orders!

have you lot seen the division this year? It is completely pants summed up by Stevenage topping it & two of the relegated teams having big points deductions

It won’t be an easier year to challenge that top 2 and it’s pretty poor we are not looking like putting up a fight to do so

i don’t think that’s high expectations I think it should be a basic requirement with a club like Derby at this level. Look at the clubs in the current top 10 position 

2 minutes ago, Loughborough Ram said:

I am not in anyway defending Pearce but I'd be interested to know how many of the Johnny big b*ll*cks on here, with expert financial acumen, and ability to be a ceo, would have given Mel Morris what for, and absolutely disobeyed him and the majority of his decisions.

My guess would be, approximately, zero. Its easy to talk a good game on a Internet chat room, it's another when everything rests on your decisions, and you will actually be proven right or wrong instead of dealing in hypetheticals 

I don’t think it matters whether we will give Mel what for in his position, the reality is he shouldn’t be here still

he isn’t a good operator because under his watch the club has been terribly ran & still is now.

I am a bit worried about this one considering our record against top half teams under warne 

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

The Prem is awash with £Billions , they are about to agree a handout to the EFL paupers which will “Give” us around an extra £500k a season. However they will impose stricter rules on us , as to what we can spend . Talk about keeping the rest of us down.

Exactly even if you make it up now in the current system you have a huge fight to stay there

luton are the prime example, they want to do the sensible thing but chances are they are not even going to put up a fight to stay in the premier league and before you know it they’ll be back mid table championship again

you either have to have an extremely intilligent ownership model ahead of its time or bucket loads of cash to even attempt to stay at that level now

19 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I thought the forum was a bit of a non-event really. 

What exactly did Stephen Pearce do wrong at the club? Serious question. 

He was CEO at the club during its most mismanaged period in its history. I don’t care if he did Mel’s donkey work he still did it which resulted in huge penalties.

lets get out of this division before even thinking about it, even that seems like its gonna be a long old slog

2 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

Rubbish. I know you are trying to get your negative point over about our current status but to say that Burton and Derby are clubs of comparable size is ridiculous. Any assessment of a club’s size has to take into account history, trophies, fanbase, ground, revenue etc and that will not vary a great deal whether a club is in League 2 or Premier League though obviously revenue would increase with promotions. Form is another matter and we may well have the current form of a mid table League 1 club.

can you point me to a post i said derby and burton are a compartive side, i said we are competing with them which is true, it's delusion to suggest otherwise

44 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Of the 10 goals conceded with Rosenior as manager, how many resulted from what you're describing?

There are faults with every system. For example, the way Warne wants us to play means our defence is exposed man for man every time we lose the ball. Even one of the greatest sides of all time struggled against certain setups. Pep's Barcelona would struggle most against defensively compact sides, typically those setting up in a 451.

tiki-taka style basically died because they couldnt beat low block sides and everyone just played that way against it

even guardiola who mastered it and influenced everyone across the world ditched it (why hes such a good coach)

3 hours ago, ram59 said:

I enjoy the theory of his style of play, although the practical application seems to be somewhat lacking ATM.

However, watching England yesterday, reminded me of watching Derby under LR. It was so slow, passing for the sake of it. For all the possession England created virtually nothing, with the goal coming from pure Warne ball, 50 yard diagonal long ball from by the half way line to a wide player, not unlike many balls from Cashin to NML. The most annoying aspect of LR ball was the ridiculous goal kicks from the CH to the keeper, inviting the opposing forwards to put us under pressure.

i think people go over the top with passing = bad, long ball = bad

i think good and bad football depends on the intensity, high intensity football is good to watch whether you hoof it or pass it short. low intesity football is bad to watch whether you hoof it or pass it short

the liverpool man city rivalary over the last few years was so good to watch because both have different styles but both have incredible intensity to there game

5 hours ago, Chester40 said:

You were definitely saying some things with much more repetitiveness than anyone else- which is some going on this forum 😉

sorry for boring you but those were my feelings at the time and i hate to toot my own horn but they werent completely outlandish

20 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

So you’re saying that Derby and Burton are similar sized clubs? What colour is the sky in your world?

 

 

 

no

we are in the same division as them and are competing with them, 

this whole club size argument is just ridiclous it doesnt matter how big a club is if they act like a league one club like we are we will be a league one club, the longer we act like this and forest act like a premier league club the bigger the gap will get until there isnt even a rivalvary any more