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8 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Hard to bet against the current PL bottom six remaining as the bottom six.

Luton, Sheffield Utd, Burnley, Everton, Bournemouth and Wolves.

Forest were lucky last season with the three that went down vastly underperforming.

This season they don’t need any luck. They are simply better than at least 5 others down there. 

I said at the time much to people calling me out it was an extremely tough division last year , they did well to stay up and now it’s back to normal with those guaranteed to go down. We will not see the 3 that come up stay up for a long while again 

I worry that if they keep spending they will become a regular premier league team based on brute force as everyone else has serious problems this year 

20 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

I have to profess I find it amusingly ironic that you find yourself depressed by the start of the season when yourself and a few notable other forum members post nothing but a stream of negative bile about the state of the club.

Have you ever considered that it's in fact your mind set that is depressing yourself? 

Cue you being encouraged to then regurgitate the reasons for your total dissatisfaction. I blame myself. 

ah yes in future i will keep my opinions to myself that arent popular on here, maybe the start to the season points to my dissatisifcation being justified?

7 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

They're leaving because they have 1 year left on their deals & dont want to be playing League 1....cant blame them but also cant blame the club for cashing in

yeah i dont disagree just a bit of a grim situation for us.

cashin and bird are the only players that have started under 27, it just feels like we will be doing the same thing every summer and rebuilding because we sign nobody on good contracts

2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Cashin is a weird one for me. He was brilliant when he first came in and outstanding at times last season. But I just don’t see a top player in him. I don’t think his natural ability is that high nor his potential. It seems like when he is playing brilliantly, he is already reaching his max, almost overachieving compared to his natural ability.

I could be wrong but I just see a future solid Championship player at the most. No more. 

in any other context its an easy sale at that reported price

but my issue is i have lost all trust in the club to actually replace him wisely

all of our players with any sort of resale value seem to be leaving, i am getting a bit more worried. is there something more to this?

hey guys, dont worry..... everything will be okay!

this has been the most depressing start to a season ever, there is absolutely nothing positive happening at the club

1 hour ago, duncanjwitham said:

When we sign players, I normally have a look at what the fans at their previous clubs are saying about them, maybe skim over their pages on whoscored, transfermarkt etc to get a feel for what they might be like.

Luton fans said Bradley's legs had gone.

Peterborough fans said Ward struggles to beat the first man with his crosses, and isn't comfortable at wingback.

Elder seems to have never played wingback before in his career.

Nelson was part of the (I think) worst defence (by goals conceded) in the Championship last season.

And that's just from 5 minutes googling.  You do have to wonder who's scouting these players.

 

i often ignore what other clubs fans say, they often have a bias opinion on said player and the enviroment is different at every club

but you could see from a mile off we were signing a poor calibre of players just by doing 5 minutes of research on each player

i would be worried if he WAS happy after spending 90 minutes watching the rubbish he put out

YES.

i dont know how people can debate it isnt, this side is utterly terrible and devoid of any quality. the context of our opponents needs to be taken into account, the 11 point team would toy with this time however an unorganised mess they were, man for man we are terrible currently

1 hour ago, GrumpyGit said:

Oxford fan coming in peace.

This thread has been quite some read and you are rightly concerned that you’ve lost to lowly Oxford. But, let me try and calm your concerns and correct some comments.

Yes, we finished 2 points clear of relegation and as one of your contributors said we’d only won 3 games in 7 months. But to put that into perspective, we had Karl Robinson as our “manager” last season until he was sacked. After 5 seasons we eventually got rid of  him. He had some good games, we got to the playoff final and lost to Wycombe, perhaps the least deserving team to get promoted, their brand of footy was truly awful. The following season we lost in the playoff semifinal to Blackpool, we got thumped at home, game over. We then followed that with 8th.

He got the sack after picking up 1 point in 24, the board should’ve acted sooner because he had his mind on other things. His marriage had collapsed, but if you shag the women’s team captain what do you expect. His signings, were a disaster. He gave contract extensions to injured players. Signed players with known mental health issues, signed more crocks and brought in square pegs for round holes. He also signed big Sam’s grandson, not on merit.  His post match comments were those of a scouce smack-head who’d just found a bottle of LSD.  We’d watched United get annihilated and he’d be talking about Brazil, the rainforest and samba bands.

In came Liam Manning and Chris Hogg… who?  Manning got MK into the L1 playoffs which they lost and got the push from MK after a bad run.

He came in and picked up 11 points to keep us up, instilling some grit and professionalism.

During the close season, he’s brought in 8 new players, some of whom we have been shocked we’d signed. Ruben Rodrigues from Notts Country, Mark Harris from Cardiff, on loan Stan Mills from Everton and James Beadle from Brighton. 
We had PSF against Swansea 2-2 then beat QPR 5-0.

First game of the season was a 2-0 away defeat to Cambridge and our forum was similar to this thread. However a 1-0 win against Carlisle and last night has completely changed the outlook. As many people say, give it 10 games, then start judging. New players in, old ones out, injured players back etc.

I can understand your pain, but I think we’ll be top 10 this year, we are playing free flowing footy. You are hamstrung by past crimes and until you can spend you’ll be stuck in this league, but once sanctions are lifted, 25,000 customers is going to give you plenty of buying power. 

Good luck for the season, especially against, Wigan, Reading and Bolton.

well done grumpy git.

a club with a vision and a plan to play, and sign players based on the way you want to play.

it is a novel idea around here it will never catch on

its no suprise rodrigues went to you guys instead of us, we are just not attractive for players that aren't 6 foot 6 and struggle to stand upright

1 hour ago, Barney1991 said:

Also regan Poole was available on a free who I mentioned in may. Went Pompey and was motm last night. 

dont you know that we can only sign 33 year olds under our rescrictions? apparently.....

the whole league operates on free transfers and nominal fees, its OUR CHOICE to sign the old players we are signing, we should have aimed to drastically reduce the age of the squad . the fact we have an older squad than last season when fitness was a clear issue all season is borderline neglect

11 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Sorry if this comes across as a bit rude, but I'm baffled by your comments, and I can't understand what matches  you've been watching to lead you to think we're camped in our own half with a solid back 5, not being exposed and with the defenders having little ground to cover?

The problem is that we're playing a high line, asking players to commit forward whenever they can, and  keep ending up in a situation where with nobody is in position to provide cover when we lose the ball, with the defenders miles apart and having to cover loads of ground!

This is a slightly exaggerated and simplistic view of it, I'll admit, but there are times it's looked a bit like this:

The blue box is (roughly) the amount of space Bradley is being asked to cover in our current set up. Sometimes it's a shared duty with one of the CBs staying in position or a midfielder dropping deep, but he's often being left isolated.

In a back 4 with a DM & some actua  wingers allowing the full-backs to maintain their defensive duties a bit, it looks more like this:

I'm really not sure how you can conclude that he'll be more exposed in a back 4.

From a simplistic view he isnt getting protection because every time we attack it takes 5 minutes for any player to get back to help any of our defenders because there is no legs in this team

we need to move to a more compact system, we are an open side that cant score goals or outrun teams. our recruitment really has been so so bad, i dont even think a system change will make a drastic difference because the same issues will occur in that we are too slow to get up and down the pitch

he has been a league one standard player his entire career, people get blinded by appearences at higher levels it doesnt mean you are a player of the standard of that division

it is why i was majorly concerned about recruitment this year compared to last year

last year we signed championship players on the decline, this year we have signed league one players on the decline

1 hour ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

There was an aim to the recruitment, it  just looks like it’s been unsuccessful. I hold my hands up from my earlier defences of the likes of Bradley and Nelson in response to some of your posts, looks like you were right and I was wrong, I’m adult enough to own that. 

But objectively speaking on the recruitment I can see what the intention was, he’s signed Washington because he knows he’ll do the tireless running in the front 2 of his 3-5-2 system. He signed Ward because he’s a proven rwb at this level, and signed Wilson because he was an exciting young rwb in the league below the season before last. He signed Elder, Bradley and Nelson as they’ve been playing in the championship for a few years, not arguing about if they should have been or not, just pointing out that there was a plan to it all….it just looks like it’s possibly the wrong plan. 
My point is always to try and have a more solution focused approach to my thinking, those players have been signed there’s nothing to be done about that now, so Warne has to find a way to get the best out of what he has, people will point that he didn’t do it last season, which overall he didn’t, but he did at times (adapting a makeshift back 4) and he did it at Rotherham. It’s either that or the next solution becomes a change of manager and I don’t know that that’s the right thing yet….in my limited opinion. 

We may have disagreed on some stuff but we both want the same thing which is Derby doing well 

1 minute ago, Barney1991 said:

What I can’t fathom is from last season he said he wanted pace and hasn’t addressed it. He says tonight he needs pace and hasn’t addressed it. 

EXACTLY

the club has completely contradicted the managers plans whether thats the managers choice or not i dont think it matters its a massive failure from the club.

and guess what because of the profile of players we are constantly signing we have ANOTHER rebuild to do next summer 

if we took a sensible approach the minute we were relegated we would be on an upwards curve and building something

1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I don’t get how anyone has watched that tonight and decided Washington and Waghorn are the problem?!
It’s the midfield and the tactics….or the execution of them, there’s no presence or control in the middle of the park, we’re not retaining the ball, we didn’t create much from open play. That doesn’t sit at Washington and Waghorn’s door, it’s down to Warne for the tactics and Hourihane/Smith/Bird/NML/Wilson/Elder/Nelson/Bradley etc for the lack of composure, creativity and control.

its the overall direction

why sign 2 strikers over 31 when by the own managers account he wanted younger players? 

it just sums up the aimless nature of our recruitment which has been absolute tripe this summer

we have absolutely no athletism and i would like to see one team with none of that that is successful because you wont find one at this level when you are getting out run every week

4 minutes ago, Andicis said:

You can't assure me that, as you have no idea what either our players or the ones you named are being paid. Everything here is just your opinion based on no fact. Useless.

you are 100% right , but i was asked to provide names to back up my opinion and i did

2012 called it wants its formation back

it would be less painful if we had legs in the team to get up and down the pitch

he just seems to play system after system that is completely incompatable with the players he has and worse yet SIGNS himself

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

What was our budget? Did those players want to live close to home? Could we match the offers of other clubs? You can't answer any of those questions. So frankly, throwing out names is useless. 

its not useless be fair, i was asked names when i said we can still sign younger players i am just backing up my point with names that have moved for free across the division and i assure you most will be on lower wages than most of the championship journemen we have signed

we are targeting older players we are not forced to sign them there is other options the club should have explored

but so many of us could see it. SK 47 is right, why sign both waghorn and washignton? loads of people were saying it at the time

if fans can see it coming from a mile off why cant anybody from the club

2 minutes ago, Derbados said:

This. I don’t get it at all. He specifically said he wanted players in the 22-27 age bracket with pace, power and athleticism, goes and signs a load over 30’s? eh? 

I think the transfer window has been abysmal overall, the lack of attacking signings in abundantly obvious to all and sundry 

the average age of our squad is scandelous there seems to be no planning its like they ring up and agent and say got anybody decent?

Just now, Andicis said:

So the profile of players to sign are players with non-league experience in 2 of those cases?

tyler walker

alistair smith

regan poole

harvey knibbs

sam smith

jack whatmough 

do you want some more? it is a complete myth our only market is ageing journeymen, the whole division is signing younger players this is not a market that is closed to us

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Name 3. 

rodrigues

andy dallas

albie morgan

took about 30 seconds to think, all free and at a great age on an upwards curve

next question

hes created a team that were all alive when the soviet union was around and they play football like we are still in the soviet era.

his style requires physicality and athletism rather than technical skills so he goes and signs a load of old players with hardly any physicality and athletism .

i dont want people to let him hide behind the business plan, there are loads of players out there that fit the profile of player we should have been signing hardly any club in this division pay fees for players

oxford play football & had a player like rodrigues who chose to go there instead of here ........ HMMMMMM I WONDER WHY? footballers arent idiots, we are going nowhere

3 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Because players wanted to play for Rosenior. They don’t want to play for Warne. It’s as simple as that.

exactly what player wants to place his kind of football apart from lanky journeymen which is exactly what we have signed

3 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Penalty shout for handball not given, whatever the defender did then looked very weird. Would like to see a replay. Sort of stooped down to shoulder it.

Poor performance, interesting to hear what’s said post match. I’m still not of the opinion Warne should be sacked as the season is still very early on, but tonight was really poor and he has to own this and show he can adapt. His 3 at the back isn’t working, I thought it would but it’s not. Back to basics, 4 at the back on Saturday, start Waghorn and Washington up top, Thompson needs to be in the midfield. It’s not working, change it.

not really interested what he has to say myself

he needs to sort it out and stop lecturing us, too much talking too little progress