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11 minutes ago, Shuff264 said:

The football is really turgid stuff, first half was dreadful.

So incredibly one dimensional, get it out wide and hope the winger can beat the full back and cross.

No plan for if that doesn't work, seemingly full backs are being told not to overlap and we aren't trying to progress play through the middle.

Early subs made sense and did improve us but he lost the plot towards the end.

Bird had a big impact playing from deep, when he got pushed further forward he got crowded out, I thought the obvious change would have been Smith off (who'd had a poor game) and drop Bird back in with Sibley at 10.

The change to a back 3 and bringing Washington on absolutely killed us and Cheltenham could've had a winner.

We need to be vastly more creative and actually attempt to score goals in ways other than crosses and set pieces, but I don't see this changing.

Think Warne is a little bit lucky that  there is no home game next weekend, a bad result there would have gone down very poorly.

I think warne is lucky in general, I don’t think we deserve the amount of points we have got so far this season

but better to be lucky than good I suppose

6 minutes ago, Alpha said:

I'm sure a new manager will takeover whichever club threatens Derby's record and at least get a bit of bounce. 

Its hard to not get 11 points through sheer luck. You get a few points per season by some team turning up and not looking like scoring if you played em all month. Then, unlike us, you do get a stroke of luck here and there. 

As bad as some of those sides look, 11 points seems impossible to end up with. 3 scrappy wins and a couple of draws should be achievable by the most talentless but determined team even from league 1. 

Luton at home are surely going to s******** a couple of decent sides? 

That will tell us a lot of they sack Heckingbottom and they get no reaction it could be broken

luton will definitely beat it, they create a lot of chances

I didn’t think Sheffield United would threaten it but they really seem to have lost their fight and spirit they had in the early games

once that goes and you lacked quality to begin with it’s possible as we know

its just the zone we are in that is frustrating

you dont know where we are as a club, we are doing the bare minimum to keep plugging along so you have no idea whether the season is turning into a good one or a bad one

for me my biggest issue is we seeem to have no control in games. somebody posted at half time we had a 66% pass completion rate, sorry but thats not acceptable at any level nevermind the context of that game. 

we simply have to look after the ball better if we are going to become a side capable of challenging. i think the table is kind to what we have been served up so far this season, hopefully now performances get better. DWDWD in our last 5 games, if we match that will be okay but it does feel like pulling teeth at the minute

that brazilian defender they just got looks handy 

mid table beckons for them unfortunately

great timing thank GOD 😆

5 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

66% pass success so far

against bottom of the league or even top of the league - unacceptable

this is my major issue, i see no pattern in our game. we just launch it and hope for the best

2 minutes ago, Justa said:

Strange feeling leaving the ground today and I think it was apathy 😞

And that really isn’t what I should be feeling - it’s just so dull, I never thought we were going to score and didn’t expect PW to do anything that would effect the game in a positive manor.

At times I was bored and I wasn’t the only one - a lot of people looking at other scores on their phones 😞 

it was realisation.

we are a mid table team in the 3rd division, no better

The club is losing it's soul, if we linger like we are we lose so much more than football matches. 

Warne needs to go, he's turning us into a s*** version of Rotherham, thats not what derby is about.

Clowes wasn't patient with LR and he shouldn't be giving Warne the leeway he should have given LR

it's pure mid table

and it isnt even about the results it's about what we are being served up. it's absolute crap, there is nothing to get behind apart from them playing in a derby shirt. that's enough for almost everybody to turn up week in week out but we need something back from the club because this is absolute drivel

remember when we were told league one is a good chance to rebuild, some nice new grounds - should be fun! it was absolute rubbish, terrible grounds, awful teams and worst part is now we are no better.

we had our chance to rebuild the club from scratch and we blew it with poor signings and backed a poor manager. Clowes needs to act decisivly, sacking LR for Warne was a poor decision, he needs to rectify it and bring in a manager we can get behind, not a alan partridge / sam allardyce tribute act.

This year is the best chance since we broke it it’ll happen

but I still don’t see it happen for the reason there is several really bad teams so they will take points off each other. For a team to break that record there needs to be one overly terribly team that everyone beats

i'll put it out there, our 11 point record could go this season. too many contenders

24 minutes ago, vonwright said:

That's my take - all he really cared about was immediate (or near immediate) promotion, then worry about the long term once we were in the championship. (Maybe at that point selling the club to a richer, more ambitious owner.) Not necessarily the route I'd have preferred, but fine as far as it goes.

It does all depend on us actually getting promotion, though 

it always felt like we gambled with a long term budget on players with 1 or 2 year deals on big money.

i think you look at the outgoings this season and money reinvested it backs this theory up in my opinion, we had to go up last year

2 hours ago, tomsdubs said:

Wish Rosenoir was still here, good manager.

a project you could actually get behind that sees slow and steady progress

1 hour ago, lrm14 said:

Similar. A regression from Lincoln but an improvement from some of the earlier games. We looked okay for 20 minutes then after we scored we couldn't string more than two passes together. That said there were positives in Collins, Nyambe, and the defence looking solid as a whole. I feel Nyambe in particular is going to offer us a lot, he's the perfect player to be playing behind NML with how solid he is defensively.

Edit - Nelson stood out too.

Thanks sounds like a mixed bag then, job done at the end of the day can’t grumble

i couldnt listen to the game today due to work, was it more of the same or was it an improvement? stats dont really paint much of a picture although not sure they ever do

We can do what we want as supporters but if you are served up with rubbish on the pitch the atmosphere will always be flat

you mention those down the road but the main reason they have a good atmosphere at the minute is they are doing well not because they do things to improve the atmosphere

On 18/09/2023 at 13:20, Addingham Ram said:

I admit that I was fully behind PW's appointment, especially on the back of 3 promotions from League One with that small club from South Yorkshire, but I'm now firmly in the 'we need to see something soon or things have to change' camp.

I realise we are still under some transfer restrictions, being those of the EFL, or those applied by David Clowes in trying to run the club sustainably, but as has been said many times by others, PW has been in charge for 50 odd games now, he has assessed our squad, brought in a lot of his own players, and still there appear little signs of improvement. It can certainly be argued we've gone backwards.

My biggest worry now is if we keep PW for another couple of transfer windows - potentially with less restrictions, might we have an even bigger rebuild if the axe were to fall on his reign?

Or do we get somebody else in before the next transfer window, somebody who is more adept at working with the players available and willing to play to the players' strengths, rather than trying to shoehorn players into unfamiliar roles in an unfamiliar playing system. I honestly think there is a decent amount of talent at the club, certainly enough, with the right manager, to be challenging for the top 6.

I'm happy to give PW until the end of October, but I'm hoping that unless there is a significant improvement, DC is putting together a plan B.

I think the basic things you want to see from a manager is an improvement in players.

I think you can take bad results, even bad football if they look like growing pains & you are seeing players grow into a system or just a level of football.

we see none of that under warne, how many players have realistically improved under warne, not many. And some of that is down to the recruitment and the obsession of players on the decline but again that’s fine to follow that model but you need instant results if you do otherwise what are we building towards

12 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Rosenior’s last game in charge:

Yes, it was excruciating watching Derby dominate the ball and pepper the opposition goal with shots.

Give me long, rushed chaotic forward passes, 40% possession and one shot on target over that rubbish.

just so people know we have to go back 6 games to get as many shots on target as that

justifying warne's mediocrity by saying LR was also mediocre is nonsense in my opinion

at least LR gave us a vision and something that resembled a plan of action. he may have failed too but we are going nowhere under warne and will need a few transfer windows to clean up his mess.

2 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said:

22,000 were Derby season ticket holders and nearly 3,000 were from Portsmouth. Let's see if the season ticket holders are all so keen next season. There's a big question arising about how good our coaching team is in comparison with the other teams in this League. They are faring badly at the moment and they don't seem able to manage a game from the touchline. The last 10 minutes was awful when we put everyone behind the ball, kicked it upfield to the Portsmouth defence and just allowed them to put it back into our penalty area and the inevitable happened; and I agree fully that the equaliser should have been disallowed for handball but we invited them to put that pressure on us. For those who hoped we had the League One Guardiola, stop dreaming. I thought he would be able to get us out of this League and he still may do, based on his success at Rotherham, but I think the pressure of expectancy here as opposed to what he experienced before is getting too much for him and is now weighing too heavily on his shoulders. I'm not sure how much the players believe in him. And if you want to watch entertaining football, I think you can forget that while he is here because he and his coaches simply don't know how to deliver that. Our only hope for this season is that it's a mediocre league where the final positions may amount to a bit of a lottery and we find to our delight that we have bought one of the winning tickets. The Derby footballing public are no fools and they won't all put up with what they are watching now for too long.

There is no way the full quota turn up as it is it’s obvious the club count ticket sales and not bums on seats

People can debate whether roseiner would have done a better job but I don’t think it’s up for debate we would look a better team at the minute

39 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

so your happy for one player to just carry the entire side? We have no structure, tactics, plan, style, identity. What happens when that one player can't play? 

We need a style of play, not another new player.

Especially not one that’s in his mid thirties, it’s part of the reason we are such a mess

2 hours ago, littleover ram said:

Think Luton and/or Sheff Utd could be on for our 11 point record 

I think because there is so many as bad as each other they will probably beat each other to get enough points. When we got 11 points we were the worst team by some way

My biggest worry is our record against top half teams under warne is shambolic, I would love to know our record top half v bottom half under warne.

It’s impossible to get out this league without beating top half teams regularly