Flying Fokker

Personally, I think that the thread raises an interesting point! What is Derby County worth to each fan?
I think it's worth more than £1,000 to me.
If it were a choice between finding £1k, or losing the club, then I think that I'd sell some stuff and raise £1k.
It's hard to put a value on the club, but considering all of the rubbish that I buy, and the money that I waste, the value to me of Derby County is probably quite high!
PS. Maybe, the average value to most people is given by the cost of a season ticket; i.e. how much they're prepared to pay each year.

To sum up the enormous task we had, if promotion favorites West Brom with parachute payments after being in the PL last season had also received a 21 point deduction they would also be in the bottom three right now.
I think it’s an achievement in itself that we’re not already relegated considering we finished 21st last season and couldn’t strengthen while losing around 10 players in the process. 

League One is a strange place nowadays.  Very physical and difficult to get out of.  Certainly with points deducted, decimated squad and FFP restrictions.  It could be a rough few years.   TBH it’s a miracle that the Club has survived given the horrendous state of the finances.  I know that there will be more twists and turns along the way but look at ITFC, WIGAN,BOLTON,SUNDERLAND,CHARLTON AND PORTSMOUTH.  All biggish names in a small time League.   It’s is still crazy that these teams are even there.   Include Coventry who managed to fall down to L2 over a few seasons then back up to the Championship.  Every one of those clubs has a story to tell.  

Sorry B4 , I know you love Rooney, but you cannot spend money that you don’t have.That’s why we are so close to Liquidation. 

Leicester City emerged out of admin.  Look at them.. Ahem.  Now there’s a story.  

The sad thing is that there is also the fabled League One 

If it is £1m this will be a problem. 50k a game is a lot. Plus event costs/ profit sharing etc   There will be some twists and turns along the way.  

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

Derby County will bounce back.  There may be a way to go.  The core group of fans will have no problem following Derby whatever form the club takes.  Some fans will not go the journey the new owners will take.  But many of them will return after a while.  Who knows?  Fair chance the league position will be sorted by 9th April.  Then of course the League One Club loses about 10 million of its value.
  Maybe MM will do an ownership share on the ground?  One of many issues that blighted Coventry City was the strained relationship between the ground owners and the club owners (Rightly so in my view- SISU Capital tried to screw the original ground owners over). 
It came down to things like the club share of food and beverages on match days, disputed rents, exile to Northampton (And stay away fans resulted in attendances of 1700 per home game sometimes) and Birmingham 5 or so years later with attendances of 4-10k. (The fans were mellowing).  So, the point being, whatever league you are in, you must have a ground, you can build on that no mater where you are.  The Golden Share also helps!       
Coventry City owners were our saviours...Or so we thought.    We were saved at 2 minutes to midnight or we would go into administration....We were taken into admin by our saviours.   
They still come forward with bull that they are going to build a ground of their own near Warwick Universtiy  but have now sub-leased the old Ricoh Arena for 10 years.  (The owners are dreaming of Premiership football, paying off the debts etc and, I must admit, running the club with tight financial control).  They had fans forums before they decided to take us out of Coventry to Northampton and alienated the fans from day one.  But the flip side to that is that their 'control' took us down to league  2 because they were clueless for at least 10 years!  The budget for next season means that they are going to be in the bottom 3 for transfer funds.  CCFC is a selling club. 
I feel so frustrated that The Rams fans are meandering through this *hit storm.  
 
 

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

The Clubs have paid the players wages.  The Prem parachute payments have always been a problem regarding the chance to go up.  The owners are all as mad as each other.  My club, Coventry City had years of overspend even in the Premiership.  The fans are the victims.  I'm not convinced this Premier League is worth the risk for those who want to get there anyway.  The Rams, Coventry City- down to League 2 , Bolton, Wigan, Sheffield, Bristol City, Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Charlton,  Sunderland, Ipswich.  Jeez, i never realised just how precarious the league structure is.  
The EFL has a lot to answer for.

I remember that game.  A policeman assaulted a fan in block 18.  Blatant thuggery by the law.  We had marches through the city. Protests and disdain and division amongst the fans once the team was taken out of the city.  Somehow the fans that stayed away were not as real as the ones that went to their exiled home games.   I did not travel to Northampton or Birmingham on principle. To me, the owners were charlatans and i've seen quotes from other clubs fans about how CCFC cheated etc.  The truth is, fans are the victims, albeit we contribute to the pressure on owners to produce a club that challenges.  The years pass by and the time in lower tiers mount up.   I just hope that the new owners find a way of playing in Derby, in front of 30k fans.  
I was born Derby.  But moved to Coventry as a 2 year old.  My first game was Cov vs Derby.  My first away game was at the Baseball Ground.  Always followed the scores and never quite understood why Derby were 'nearly' there in the Prem.  No offence meant because Derby is a big club and the crowds prove it.  Just some inept ownership over the years (Both Rams and Cov).
 

Derby County will bounce back.  There may be a way to go.  The core group of fans will have no problem following Derby whatever form the club takes.  Some fans will not go the journey the new owners will take.  But many of them will return after a while.  Who knows?  Fair chance the league position will be sorted by 9th April.  Then of course the League One Club loses about 10 million of its value.
  Maybe MM will do an ownership share on the ground?  One of many issues that blighted Coventry City was the strained relationship between the ground owners and the club owners (Rightly so in my view- SISU Capital tried to screw the original ground owners over). 
It came down to things like the club share of food and beverages on match days, disputed rents, exile to Northampton (And stay away fans resulted in attendances of 1700 per home game sometimes) and Birmingham 5 or so years later with attendances of 4-10k. (The fans were mellowing).  So, the point being, whatever league you are in, you must have a ground, you can build on that no mater where you are.  The Golden Share also helps!       
Coventry City owners were our saviours...Or so we thought.    We were saved at 2 minutes to midnight or we would go into administration....We were taken into admin by our saviours.   
They still come forward with bull that they are going to build a ground of their own near Warwick Universtiy  but have now sub-leased the old Ricoh Arena for 10 years.  (The owners are dreaming of Premiership football, paying off the debts etc and, I must admit, running the club with tight financial control).  They had fans forums before they decided to take us out of Coventry to Northampton and alienated the fans from day one.  But the flip side to that is that their 'control' took us down to league  2 because they were clueless for at least 10 years!  The budget for next season means that they are going to be in the bottom 3 for transfer funds.  CCFC is a selling club. 
I feel so frustrated that The Rams fans are meandering through this *hit storm.  
 
 

Derby County will bounce back.  There may be a way to go.  The core group of fans will have no problem following Derby whatever form the club takes.  Some fans will not go the journey the new owners will take.  But many of them will return after a while.  Who knows?  Fair chance the league position will be sorted by 9th April.  Then of course the League One Club loses about 10 million of its value.
  Maybe MM will do an ownership share on the ground?  One of many issues that blighted Coventry City was the strained relationship between the ground owners and the club owners (Rightly so in my view- SISU Capital tried to screw the original ground owners over). 
It came down to things like the club share of food and beverages on match days, disputed rents, exile to Northampton (And stay away fans resulted in attendances of 1700 per home game sometimes) and Birmingham 5 or so years later with attendances of 4-10k. (The fans were mellowing).  So, the point being, whatever league you are in, you must have a ground, you can build on that no mater where you are.  The Golden Share also helps!       
Coventry City owners were our saviours...Or so we thought.    We were saved at 2 minutes to midnight or we would go into administration....We were taken into admin by our saviours.   
They still come forward with bull that they are going to build a ground of their own near Warwick Universtiy  but have now sub-leased the old Ricoh Arena for 10 years.  (The owners are dreaming of Premiership football, paying off the debts etc and, I must admit, running the club with tight financial control).  They had fans forums before they decided to take us out of Coventry to Northampton and alienated the fans from day one.  But the flip side to that is that their 'control' took us down to league  2 because they were clueless for at least 10 years!  The budget for next season means that they are going to be in the bottom 3 for transfer funds.  CCFC is a selling club. 
I feel so frustrated that The Rams fans are meandering through this *hit storm.  
 
 

Derby County will bounce back.  There may be a way to go.  The core group of fans will have no problem following Derby whatever form the club takes.  Some fans will not go the journey the new owners will take.  But many of them will return after a while.  Who knows?  Fair chance the league position will be sorted by 9th April.  Then of course the League One Club loses about 10 million of its value.
  Maybe MM will do an ownership share on the ground?  One of many issues that blighted Coventry City was the strained relationship between the ground owners and the club owners (Rightly so in my view- SISU Capital tried to screw the original ground owners over). 
It came down to things like the club share of food and beverages on match days, disputed rents, exile to Northampton (And stay away fans resulted in attendances of 1700 per home game sometimes) and Birmingham 5 or so years later with attendances of 4-10k. (The fans were mellowing).  So, the point being, whatever league you are in, you must have a ground, you can build on that no mater where you are.  The Golden Share also helps!       
Coventry City owners were our saviours...Or so we thought.    We were saved at 2 minutes to midnight or we would go into administration....We were taken into admin by our saviours.   
They still come forward with bull that they are going to build a ground of their own near Warwick Universtiy  but have now sub-leased the old Ricoh Arena for 10 years.  (The owners are dreaming of Premiership football, paying off the debts etc and, I must admit, running the club with tight financial control).  They had fans forums before they decided to take us out of Coventry to Northampton and alienated the fans from day one.  But the flip side to that is that their 'control' took us down to league  2 because they were clueless for at least 10 years!  The budget for next season means that they are going to be in the bottom 3 for transfer funds.  CCFC is a selling club. 
I feel so frustrated that The Rams fans are meandering through this *hit storm.  
 
 

Derby County will bounce back.  There may be a way to go.  The core group of fans will have no problem following Derby whatever form the club takes.  Some fans will not go the journey the new owners will take.  But many of them will return after a while.  Who knows?  Fair chance the league position will be sorted by 9th April.  Then of course the League One Club loses about 10 million of its value.
  Maybe MM will do an ownership share on the ground?  One of many issues that blighted Coventry City was the strained relationship between the ground owners and the club owners (Rightly so in my view- SISU Capital tried to screw the original ground owners over). 
It came down to things like the club share of food and beverages on match days, disputed rents, exile to Northampton (And stay away fans resulted in attendances of 1700 per home game sometimes) and Birmingham 5 or so years later with attendances of 4-10k. (The fans were mellowing).  So, the point being, whatever league you are in, you must have a ground, you can build on that no mater where you are.  The Golden Share also helps!       
Coventry City owners were our saviours...Or so we thought.    We were saved at 2 minutes to midnight or we would go into administration....We were taken into admin by our saviours.   
They still come forward with bull that they are going to build a ground of their own near Warwick Universtiy  but have now sub-leased the old Ricoh Arena for 10 years.  (The owners are dreaming of Premiership football, paying off the debts etc and, I must admit, running the club with tight financial control).  They had fans forums before they decided to take us out of Coventry to Northampton and alienated the fans from day one.  But the flip side to that is that their 'control' took us down to league  2 because they were clueless for at least 10 years!  The budget for next season means that they are going to be in the bottom 3 for transfer funds.  CCFC is a selling club. 
I feel so frustrated that The Rams fans are meandering through this *hit storm.  
 
 

The Clubs have paid the players wages.  The Prem parachute payments have always been a problem regarding the chance to go up.  The owners are all as mad as each other.  My club, Coventry City had years of overspend even in the Premiership.  The fans are the victims.  I'm not convinced this Premier League is worth the risk for those who want to get there anyway.  The Rams, Coventry City- down to League 2 , Bolton, Wigan, Sheffield, Bristol City, Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Charlton,  Sunderland, Ipswich.  Jeez, i never realised just how precarious the league structure is.  
The EFL has a lot to answer for.

We would be a laughing stock. Can you imagine it?
5K chanting "Duck the EFL"
5K chanting "Duck Q"
5K chanting "Duck the Gibbon and that Wycombe guy"
5K chanting "Duck Modern Football, Sky Sports, Parachute Payments, HMRC, et.al"
... and then they all turn on one another.
Probably end up with the 2 left standing being the ones with the anti-MM banners.

The Clubs have paid the players wages.  The Prem parachute payments have always been a problem regarding the chance to go up.  The owners are all as mad as each other.  My club, Coventry City had years of overspend even in the Premiership.  The fans are the victims.  I'm not convinced this Premier League is worth the risk for those who want to get there anyway.  The Rams, Coventry City- down to League 2 , Bolton, Wigan, Sheffield, Bristol City, Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Charlton,  Sunderland, Ipswich.  Jeez, i never realised just how precarious the league structure is.  
The EFL has a lot to answer for.

The Clubs have paid the players wages.  The Prem parachute payments have always been a problem regarding the chance to go up.  The owners are all as mad as each other.  My club, Coventry City had years of overspend even in the Premiership.  The fans are the victims.  I'm not convinced this Premier League is worth the risk for those who want to get there anyway.  The Rams, Coventry City- down to League 2 , Bolton, Wigan, Sheffield, Bristol City, Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Charlton,  Sunderland, Ipswich.  Jeez, i never realised just how precarious the league structure is.  
The EFL has a lot to answer for.

The Clubs have paid the players wages.  The Prem parachute payments have always been a problem regarding the chance to go up.  The owners are all as mad as each other.  My club, Coventry City had years of overspend even in the Premiership.  The fans are the victims.  I'm not convinced this Premier League is worth the risk for those who want to get there anyway.  The Rams, Coventry City- down to League 2 , Bolton, Wigan, Sheffield, Bristol City, Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Charlton,  Sunderland, Ipswich.  Jeez, i never realised just how precarious the league structure is.  
The EFL has a lot to answer for.