Kathcairns

Ok so a little time before the next home match. Given we know that there has been some genuine interest in potential new ownership its fair to say there would be some representation in the ground for home matches going forward.  How about a show of support for the club with something like a minutes applause in the 18th and 84th minutes to honour the year we were founded 1884. Standing ovations would be more potent. I know the atmosphere has been great lately but might just highlight the loyalty of our fan base and prove we are with the club through thick and thin. I know we show support by being there and all show support in many ways but anything extra the Derby Army can do might be good for solidarity and show we are all in it together.  Bit of time to get the message out there but im no expert in how to do that! Someone with media links or maybe the club itself getting involved? If its been mentioned elsewhere apologies I dont post much but just thinking of something different.  We do it to commemorate people passing ar certain times but this is to show we are very much alive and kicking!

Exactly this. Imagine if Ashley had gambled and then Covid hit and the state of Newcastle was the same as Derby? Instead they've been brought and are now the richest club in the world. We're skint.
I think the fact that Ashley has left them in such a good position is massively overlooked by the Geordies. He'll get no credit for what they're going to go on and do.

Do you know what - I wonder if he maybe actually less frustrated.  He no longer has what must have been a huge frustration trying to get answers from Mel, for months, with no response.  I know how I'd feel if that had been me.  Imagine having an issue at work, and you constantly try to talk to your boss about it, but he ignores you completely. Won't answer the door, pick up the phone, respond to emails. That's what Rooney was working with.  I suspect he'll be far more informed now with Administrators in charge.  

He's certainly been the one positive in all of this and has totally changed my opinion of him as a person.
He's also done a better job managing the team this season than he did last.

Actually yes. There was a time many years ago when the DET was the first source of every bit of DCFC news, good and bad. Sir Brian used to use it to get all kinds of messages to the board, players and fans.
Those were very different days though from a news and media perspective never mind socially. But they did exist and in some ways better and some not. But they do make the paucity of today’s output even greater and even sadder.

May be no journalistic value...but there is another use ?

 
 

It's not even accurate, as Shinner had already talked about it the week before!

Has the DET ever run a DCFC story before we all knew about it? 
Masters of copy and paste. 

Said it before many times, and I'll say it again. The DET has absolutely no journalistic merit at all. None. They only care about dedicating the maximum amount of screen space to adverts as possible and churning out the highest volume of 'articles' possible. Most of it is copied/pasted from twitter and/or taken from work other outlets have done. 
Absolute rubbish.

Make it sound like they are going to disrespect the club.
Theres no way Shinner would do that, he loved working for Derby.

Thanks, Carnero - that's better then. Will leave ours in, anyway. 

Great gesture, Hopefully be a last minute surge in ticket sales. Don't think I'll be reclaiming on my ticket.

The problem here is that most of the people who've formed an opinion of us know very little about what's actually gone on, and are basing their views on sensationalist headlines, untrue and/or misleading write-ups telling only half the story, and what they read on that poo stain of the internet known as Twitter.
All they read is that we've broken some rule or other, that's enough to condemn us. Never mind that we've only broken a rule because the terms of engagement have changed, or that ultimately it's boiled down to one person's opinion overruling multiple others on a technicality.
I think it's summed up by your line about us being viewed as seeking an unfair advantage, we simply haven't - we've sought a competitive advantage, which isn't the same thing at all.
A lot of our actions have been an attempt to even out the genuinely unfair advantage gained by teams in receipt of parachute payments, that gained by those who've blatantly set out to make a mockery of spending limits - clubs like Villa who basically just bought every single sought-after midfielder in the division at one stage - or that gained by a club like Wolves signing Champions League quality players & managers from a closed market (and as such at well below market value) while deferring a massive chunk of their wages until such a point they achieve the inevitable promotion signing those players/that manager would bring. Throw in those with owners of two clubs in separate counties trading between themselves for good measure.
We've doubtless gone too far with it, of course, hence ending up in this position. Nobody is saying we're blameless or that Mel Morris hasn't well and truly messed it up, but an unfair advantage, really? It's nonsense.
In saying "The EFL and its constituent clubs currently view your club with so much suspicion" you make it sound like there are far more clubs who are emotionally / morally invested in our situation than there really are.
The only people to really speak up are Boro, Wycombe & Rotherham. There's little evidence that there's a whole host of clubs baying for some sort of justice - plenty of evidence of fans of other clubs doing so, but they're mostly hypocrites who've forgotten their own club's past misdeeds.
Nobody really seemed to have a problem with us until one chairman went running to them to complain about us after we pipped his team to a play-off spot (because our £4m striker gave us an advantage over them that their £15m striker didn't give them over us!).
Without that and the Kieran Maguire writing letters to the EFL about our amortisation policy it's debatable whether or not the EFL would ever even have opened a case against us.

I think it's interesting that other clubs view us as gaming the system to gain an unfair advantage. The thing is though, does that stack up?
To me gaining an unfair advantage really boils down to spending more on players than comparable clubs. Did we really do that? Certainly we had one Barmby window where we signed Johnson, Butterfield, Ince etc, but excluding that it doesn't feel like we've spent any more than any other ambitious Championship team.
I wonder if the big difference is that we have generally spent poorly? Consequently, we had to write off millions for most of our big signings, whereas our rivals tended to recoup at least some of their outlay, so their net spend is likely to be lower.
I'd love someone to look at the figures over Mel's tenure. I bet that Middlesbrough, Forest and Bristol City have spent more than us.
 

I used to visit one of your boards "Back Henry Street" the distaine for the Oystons especialy K Oyston and his Son, Who at the drop of a hat would send a Solicitors letter for "slander" the Solicitor being someone who wasn't actually a Solicitor, There was open warfare against the Oystons and rightly so even to get one of your games abandoned when tennis balls thrown and then fans storming the pitch,,,one in a wheelchair.
As for our missgivings...you need to fact check your post, We were found guilty of a minor offence where a £100,000 fine was imposed, We're still waiting for the ELF who by the looks are on that Boat to China and waiting for imo us to climb the table only for them to hit us with another points penalty.
Just to remind you of the EFLs culpability...they let the Oystons milk Blackpool FC out of millions of £s while they stood and let you burn, Let Bury be sold for £1 to a sharleton, Closed their eyes to what happened to Wigan with a fictitious sale, Fed Macclesfield to the Lions, Capitulated to Anderson who was Boltons major shareholder when he was talking about liquidating them.
Sympathy we're not looking for, That seige mentality is now set in stone by the majority who pay or those who watch from afar.
 

My biggest concern by far is that no buyer is found because the debts are unmanageable . The Efl then take the action they did with Bury and banish us from the League.
vut really there is no reason why the club cannot retain its Efl membership even in such a nightmare scenario. It would be down to the Efl.. they made the wrong call with Bury and I am fearful they could do the same to us.
So the question of why are we in such a financial mess .., is it COVID or is it self inflicted .. and if self inflicted it’s the owners fault not the fans so why should they suffer? The COVID question becomes pretty crucial .. it may not be just about the 12 point deduction.

You're a smart guy and you talk a lot of sense, but if you honestly believe that the EFL do not want to see Derby relegated, then it's hard to imagine what evidence would convince you otherwise. 

As to why the Efl are picking on Derby , the simple answer is they aren’t. 
 
they made a similar mess of Bury .. the best that can be said about that is that it was a swift end for Bury rather than a death by a thousand cuts .
 
whatever your views on Mel Morris , ( which I don’t share by the way) the first objection is why should the club suffer for the wrongdoing of the owner? Precisely the issue that As you say true football fans would understand regardless of who they support… which is why Derby fans sympathised with you over oyston.
 
but despite my first statement I think Derby fans feel aggrieved that the club are wrongly accused of things that were perfectly fine ( eg stadium sale) , things like amortisation are minor things at worst that Efl wanted points deduction .. and relegation .., for yet the independent panel thought only a fine was appropriate . 
 
so at every turn Efl seem to want to beat us up and max out on punishments. 
 
all for what? A professional disagreement between accountants over amortisation policy, and a disagreement between another set of accountants over what has caused our latest financial problems? Is it COVID or our historic overspending? 
 
why should the club , and the fans be punished for any of this?

I can see how it might look to an outsider, but I'm simply applying logic to the catalogue of things that the EFL have said and done since the whole saga started with Gibson announcing he was intending to sue Derby and the EFL, 2 days before the 2019 play-off final. I can't blame either of them for the decision to start the game with Mason Bennett instead of an in-form Jack Marriott (thanks Frankie!), but since that day it's been clear that they want to destroy Derby, by hook or by crook, because it suits their agenda to a T. It's worth reminding all visitors to this forum that no EFL (or other) rules were broken in respect of the stadium sale or the method of player amortisation adopted. The EFL finally nailed us on a technicality, for which the punishment will far exceed the 'breach'. It's worth remembering that, while clubs like DCFC and SWFC are regarded as 'cheats' who "deserve everything they get", successful cheats happily ply their trade in the Premier League, raking in hundreds of millions of pounds, and face no sanction in the event of their relegation back to the EFL, not even the cancellation of their Parachute Payments!! It's perverse.
I note your general good wishes and don't want it to sound like I'm berating you, but there really is more to this than the EFL simply "upholding the rules" - it's highly political and it will have implications for other clubs whose fans are currently sticking the boot into DCFC at every opportunity, though they don't realise it yet.
 

The substance of that statement is that they wanted a harsher sanction, i.e. a points deduction. Any points deduction would have seen us relegated. They did not expressly say "We want to see Derby relegated" in those exact words, but the substance is absolutely clear .

You're starting to annoy me now with your pious outside observations, which are neither accurate nor timely.
Nothing happening in Blackpool?

I think you are being disingenuous here about the EFL. They said they regretted . were disappointed etc about our punishment.. they had been pushing for a penalty points deduction and pushing for that deduction to be be applied retrospectively to the season gone... which would have relegated us, of course as we only dodged relegation by one point.
Yet previously, they wanted to apply the points deduction not retrospectively to us for the 2019-20 season as that would have had no effect on our season. But they did want to apply the points deduction retrospectively to 2019-20 for Sheffield Wednesday as that would have relegated then in that season. Fortunately for Wendies, the LAP was having none of that .. EFL arbitraging to get maximum penalty it possibly can..  stance from EFL rightly called out by the LAP as disgraceful. So Wendies avoided a retrospective punishment.. although it was  temporary stay of execution of course, they were relegated in 2020/1 anyway.
It is not reasonable in anyway for EFL to be expressing sentiments, spinning lines to the media and briefing them against the Rams... and worse.. leaking selectively to the press stories that ultimately prove to be untrue.
Nor should they be seeking to give maximum punishments they can get away with , especially to clubs in distress, and especially when any fault lies with the owners (in fact now former owners) , not with the club itself. 
 
 
 

This isn’t the first time that EFL expresses  its “disappointment”. .. why should a football body be disappointed in the outcome of an independent process .. why doesn’t the EFL itself show itself to be independent?
 
That is why it is in its dying days as a regulator . After the BUry debacle , Parliament heavily criticised EFL for its practices. It just seems the EFL represents the interests of rival clubs who all join in and give other clubs a kicking. Especially unattractive when you are kicking a club when it is down. It’s not independent at all, and is just self destructive.
I cannot recall anything wrong in Derby ‘s own media statements .. except them saying the amortisation thing was no big deal well plainly it is if it means we fail FFP and get penalty points deductions.
 
 
 
 

The EFL wanted to make an example of Derby, to set down a marker and head off potential legal action from Middlesbrough and possibly others over their handling of the whole FFP monitoring process, and to give substance to Rick Parry's reforming agenda, and were disappointed with the sanctions applied by the tribunal. Hence their subsequent attempts to strangle the club with restrictions hastily introduced in June of this year and their desire to force the club to accept further points deductions by "negotiation" rather than go through another uncertain tribunal process. 
Stop kidding yourselves that these people are on the side of Derby fans - they're not.