Kathcairns

I used to visit one of your boards "Back Henry Street" the distaine for the Oystons especialy K Oyston and his Son, Who at the drop of a hat would send a Solicitors letter for "slander" the Solicitor being someone who wasn't actually a Solicitor, There was open warfare against the Oystons and rightly so even to get one of your games abandoned when tennis balls thrown and then fans storming the pitch,,,one in a wheelchair.
As for our missgivings...you need to fact check your post, We were found guilty of a minor offence where a £100,000 fine was imposed, We're still waiting for the ELF who by the looks are on that Boat to China and waiting for imo us to climb the table only for them to hit us with another points penalty.
Just to remind you of the EFLs culpability...they let the Oystons milk Blackpool FC out of millions of £s while they stood and let you burn, Let Bury be sold for £1 to a sharleton, Closed their eyes to what happened to Wigan with a fictitious sale, Fed Macclesfield to the Lions, Capitulated to Anderson who was Boltons major shareholder when he was talking about liquidating them.
Sympathy we're not looking for, That seige mentality is now set in stone by the majority who pay or those who watch from afar.
 

My biggest concern by far is that no buyer is found because the debts are unmanageable . The Efl then take the action they did with Bury and banish us from the League.
vut really there is no reason why the club cannot retain its Efl membership even in such a nightmare scenario. It would be down to the Efl.. they made the wrong call with Bury and I am fearful they could do the same to us.
So the question of why are we in such a financial mess .., is it COVID or is it self inflicted .. and if self inflicted it’s the owners fault not the fans so why should they suffer? The COVID question becomes pretty crucial .. it may not be just about the 12 point deduction.

You're a smart guy and you talk a lot of sense, but if you honestly believe that the EFL do not want to see Derby relegated, then it's hard to imagine what evidence would convince you otherwise. 

As to why the Efl are picking on Derby , the simple answer is they aren’t. 
 
they made a similar mess of Bury .. the best that can be said about that is that it was a swift end for Bury rather than a death by a thousand cuts .
 
whatever your views on Mel Morris , ( which I don’t share by the way) the first objection is why should the club suffer for the wrongdoing of the owner? Precisely the issue that As you say true football fans would understand regardless of who they support… which is why Derby fans sympathised with you over oyston.
 
but despite my first statement I think Derby fans feel aggrieved that the club are wrongly accused of things that were perfectly fine ( eg stadium sale) , things like amortisation are minor things at worst that Efl wanted points deduction .. and relegation .., for yet the independent panel thought only a fine was appropriate . 
 
so at every turn Efl seem to want to beat us up and max out on punishments. 
 
all for what? A professional disagreement between accountants over amortisation policy, and a disagreement between another set of accountants over what has caused our latest financial problems? Is it COVID or our historic overspending? 
 
why should the club , and the fans be punished for any of this?

I can see how it might look to an outsider, but I'm simply applying logic to the catalogue of things that the EFL have said and done since the whole saga started with Gibson announcing he was intending to sue Derby and the EFL, 2 days before the 2019 play-off final. I can't blame either of them for the decision to start the game with Mason Bennett instead of an in-form Jack Marriott (thanks Frankie!), but since that day it's been clear that they want to destroy Derby, by hook or by crook, because it suits their agenda to a T. It's worth reminding all visitors to this forum that no EFL (or other) rules were broken in respect of the stadium sale or the method of player amortisation adopted. The EFL finally nailed us on a technicality, for which the punishment will far exceed the 'breach'. It's worth remembering that, while clubs like DCFC and SWFC are regarded as 'cheats' who "deserve everything they get", successful cheats happily ply their trade in the Premier League, raking in hundreds of millions of pounds, and face no sanction in the event of their relegation back to the EFL, not even the cancellation of their Parachute Payments!! It's perverse.
I note your general good wishes and don't want it to sound like I'm berating you, but there really is more to this than the EFL simply "upholding the rules" - it's highly political and it will have implications for other clubs whose fans are currently sticking the boot into DCFC at every opportunity, though they don't realise it yet.
 

The substance of that statement is that they wanted a harsher sanction, i.e. a points deduction. Any points deduction would have seen us relegated. They did not expressly say "We want to see Derby relegated" in those exact words, but the substance is absolutely clear .

You're starting to annoy me now with your pious outside observations, which are neither accurate nor timely.
Nothing happening in Blackpool?

I think you are being disingenuous here about the EFL. They said they regretted . were disappointed etc about our punishment.. they had been pushing for a penalty points deduction and pushing for that deduction to be be applied retrospectively to the season gone... which would have relegated us, of course as we only dodged relegation by one point.
Yet previously, they wanted to apply the points deduction not retrospectively to us for the 2019-20 season as that would have had no effect on our season. But they did want to apply the points deduction retrospectively to 2019-20 for Sheffield Wednesday as that would have relegated then in that season. Fortunately for Wendies, the LAP was having none of that .. EFL arbitraging to get maximum penalty it possibly can..  stance from EFL rightly called out by the LAP as disgraceful. So Wendies avoided a retrospective punishment.. although it was  temporary stay of execution of course, they were relegated in 2020/1 anyway.
It is not reasonable in anyway for EFL to be expressing sentiments, spinning lines to the media and briefing them against the Rams... and worse.. leaking selectively to the press stories that ultimately prove to be untrue.
Nor should they be seeking to give maximum punishments they can get away with , especially to clubs in distress, and especially when any fault lies with the owners (in fact now former owners) , not with the club itself. 
 
 
 

This isn’t the first time that EFL expresses  its “disappointment”. .. why should a football body be disappointed in the outcome of an independent process .. why doesn’t the EFL itself show itself to be independent?
 
That is why it is in its dying days as a regulator . After the BUry debacle , Parliament heavily criticised EFL for its practices. It just seems the EFL represents the interests of rival clubs who all join in and give other clubs a kicking. Especially unattractive when you are kicking a club when it is down. It’s not independent at all, and is just self destructive.
I cannot recall anything wrong in Derby ‘s own media statements .. except them saying the amortisation thing was no big deal well plainly it is if it means we fail FFP and get penalty points deductions.
 
 
 
 

The EFL wanted to make an example of Derby, to set down a marker and head off potential legal action from Middlesbrough and possibly others over their handling of the whole FFP monitoring process, and to give substance to Rick Parry's reforming agenda, and were disappointed with the sanctions applied by the tribunal. Hence their subsequent attempts to strangle the club with restrictions hastily introduced in June of this year and their desire to force the club to accept further points deductions by "negotiation" rather than go through another uncertain tribunal process. 
Stop kidding yourselves that these people are on the side of Derby fans - they're not. 

But they would also need to have very very very long arms. It would narrow the search down to be fair. Always a good idea to think things through to a logical conclusion. I used to think that I would simply need to find a girlfriend / wife who had small hands. As I rapidly approach 60 I recognise that them wearing thick glasses is now equally essential.
 

Like Steve Bloomer's Watching? ?
We can't even get that right! 

anything but not the awful "Everywhere we go" the most boring football song ever sung be every club aaaaggghhh!!!

There are alot of people on here begging for Mike Ashley who when this has all passed and the club have survived will be moaning like hell when there is no investment in players .These same people who moaned about the dour football of the Nigel Clough era .
The thing is people esp fans have very short memories and once the dust settles they wil lsoon sing a different hymn on Mike Ashley just like the Newcastle fans do . 
Incidentally i live a few miles from the sports direct empire in Shirebrook and the place is a right sh**hole and full of non english people who are employed there . He isnt a very nice bloke and i for one do not want him anywhere near , there are others to save us . 

I think we have a case here. If we didn’t the administrators wouldn’t be trying it. It also to some degree explains the emphasis on Covid in Mel’s statements and interviews. 
The argument against is - no other club has gone into administration. Very true at the moment, but pretty much every other club at this level runs on a benefactor model. If the benefactor pulls out and there is no buyer then administration is inevitable. If Maranakis pulled out Forest would be in admin, likewise Gibson and Boro etc etc. Therefore this IMO can’t really be used as an argument. Who are we to know Mel’s situation, he could’ve had his other investments devastated by Covid. 
What they will be looking at is would we be unsustainable if Covid had not happened. We were taking steps to reduce the wage bill pre-covid, with our wage bill where it is now then there is a strong argument to suggest we would be sustainable had we not lost £20m in revenue. Wigan couldn’t use this argument, Covid had barely happened and their situation clearly would have arisen with or without Covid - their issue was the legitimacy of the people buying the club. If this had been Forest and not us, then they wouldn’t succeed either due to the transfer window they had last summer and maintaining a wage bill of £30m+. If we had been continuing to spend at 17/18 and 18/19 levels then we would undoubtedly fail this argument - we may yet as we don’t know what the accounts say. 
The other factor to consider is would we have sold the club without Covid. We would certainly be more attractive as we wouldn’t have the debt that has been accrued to keep the club going without £20m loss in revenue, the club had been sold as well prior to Covid only for the EFL charge to destroy that deal. Selling the club would have avoided administration and that is usually the get out benefactors use when they’ve had enough. There is a legitimate argument to say the uncertainty created by Covid restricted Mel’s ability to sell the club, and administration is an inevitable consequence.
The other thing that goes in our favour is we’re not asking for a complete reversal of the points deduction, we are saying Covid is a mitigating factor in our administration but not the sole cause. Mel’s running of the club is most definitely a contributory factor to us going into administration but not the sole factor, and the clubs argument will be that we would have coped and traded through if not for a Covid causing a 2/3 drop in revenue.
This isn’t vindication for Mel Morris by any stretch but the Covid impact is undeniable and as a result I think we have a case. Be interesting to see if we succeed. 

It will be also interesting to see how the EFLs actions on the £8m loan are viewed, Derby didn’t meet the criteria means a multitude of things, but one being any club under an EFL disciplinary procedure is ineligible, a disciplinary action against Derby on P&S which we have long debated the legitimacy and validity of. 

The Administrators have had long enough to decide if an appeal is worth it or not. Now they've appealed, this tells you everything you need to know IMO. 

Well the clubs needs try something different but I do think also making pp cashless been a big mistake in my eyes I personal make cash and card give fans that choice as some are suggesting that club some make pay on the day for home fans but make cash turnstiles.

Whatever anyone says about MA, he did have enough ambition to get Raffa and back him
to succeed -  that's good enough for me.
I hope that whoever does but DCFC they keep WR, as you have to be impressed with
the playing side of things at the moment!

To be successful we need a nation state, ran by a dictator with a dubious human right records who needs a football club to better their image, Kim's North Korea is the most obvious but they are broke. Puttin's Russia have got deep pockets so could do as well,  but Vladimir is a bit careless with the Novichok, so that could be an issue. There's got to be some dodgy country somewhere waiting for us

The name is irrelevant. The background of the person is irrelevant.
Mel was the dream owner in many ways, but he has done more damage than anybody in it's history.
All I want from an owner is for them to give me something to be proud off, a relatable team that tgives their all every week. Stop chasing unrealistic dreams, if it means we have to overachieve to get to the Premier League then so be it. Run the club properly and stop this casino style running off my club. That is all I want from an owner.
 

For 300k we might as well take a stab at it. I can't imagine it'll get anywhere but if it does those 12 points will end up being precious. If they tack on another 9 we're done anyway and no way will we survive that. I personally am not overly optimistic about surviving the 12 point penalty as it is, after-all once winter comes around with injuries and fixtures piling up the thin squad is going to creak and show in our points tally but we need to make a fist of it. 

It’s not about your take being popular or unpopular but, I rather suspect, unlike Mel, the administrator know what they’re doing. We may appeal or we may not. We may be successful or we may not be but I don’t think any of us, with zero experience (I suspect) of being an administrator are in any position to be so critical of them.

Let’s not also forget, they let the London clubs open up their stadiums for a brief while too. Even though that area was rife with Covid. We were never allowed to open even though we had to prepare to open up and spent thousands on producing stickers and notices and paying for them to be placed around the ground. These were never used in the period they were designed for.

Yeah, call us a cab will ya?