Alty_Ram

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

The attitude of some vocal fans of other clubs is extremely depressing. I wouldn't wish any club out of existence not even Forest and certainly not just because of something the ex-owner had done. The charges re accountancy were assessed by the good old EFL and we were hit by a points deduction as a result. We have taken that on the chin along with the additional administration sanction. The accounting method applied was not illegal but clearly given FFP considerations and in hindsight it was an obvious attempt to bend the rules but the ranting and foaming at the mouth from some quarters despite us taking our punishment is genuinely baffling. These legal actions by Boro and Wycombe cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt to send DCFC under. There simply isn't the money to pay it so it has to be called out for what it is, malicious attempt to sabotage efforts to save our club and to force DCFC into liquidation.
The naivety shown by some other clubs fans in thinking the actions of Boro and Wycombe is OK and will somehow just teach us a bit of a lesson somehow is quite breath-taking. We are facing an existential threat and some of them seem to think these actions are somehow a relatively minor thing. Their chairmen are trying to kill our club pure and simple. Switch the situations and genuinely I'd be embarrassed and ashamed that the owners of my club were making a conscious and deliberate attempt to doom another club and deprive thousands of football fans of their beloved team.

Isn’t it great to see the football family alive, well and self supportive? 

Bristol City ?! No ! I was reliably informed that they were paragons of financial virtue whose relentless drive to keep costs at sustainable levels is the only reason that they have not been promoted and as such should all get medals and our thanks. Really, they are an inspiration to us all.

Seriously though, for fans of other clubs who are enjoying our struggles, some of them might like to get their own house in order before getting too smug.

Bristol City ?! No ! I was reliably informed that they were paragons of financial virtue whose relentless drive to keep costs at sustainable levels is the only reason that they have not been promoted and as such should all get medals and our thanks. Really, they are an inspiration to us all.

Seriously though, for fans of other clubs who are enjoying our struggles, some of them might like to get their own house in order before getting too smug.

Bristol City ?! No ! I was reliably informed that they were paragons of financial virtue whose relentless drive to keep costs at sustainable levels is the only reason that they have not been promoted and as such should all get medals and our thanks. Really, they are an inspiration to us all.

Seriously though, for fans of other clubs who are enjoying our struggles, some of them might like to get their own house in order before getting too smug.

I sincerely hope it's a very Happy New Year - well, for everyone on the planet.
It's been an awful couple of years through the pandemic. The threat of war between Russia and Ukraine is scary. As though all of that isn't bad enough, climate change will have the biggest ever impact on humanity.
That all said, what keeps us all going is our shared love of football and, in particular, of Derby County. Football, sport, entertainment gives us a release from the stresses of our everyday lives. And yet, currently, supporting the Rams only seems to add to the stress.
Let's hope we get a new owner soon, put administration and points deductions behind us, and start building an entertaining and successful football club once again.
Finally, I just want to thank the Forum Admins for providing this platform. Thank you to all posters for your contributions - whether you are optimistic or pessimistic about the future - or no matter how you feel about Tom Lawrence - I have enjoyed reading your posts. Thank you for keeping the club close to me.
Very best wishes to you, your families and your friends. 
COYR ?

We remember how your fans supported us through our darkest hours.
We now have our club back and we are on our way back, but your fans were brilliant at Bloomfield Road singing all the Oyston out songs with us. We had a mini riot during that game, a night match and later that season, we started boycotting games home and away. 
Word is, our fans are 100% behind you during this hopefully short term blip in your great clubs situation. 
Good luck from the Seasiders!
 
Bri.

Even if we resolve HMRC and Administration there will be nothing to spend so by necessity this is the sort of profile that we need to be looking at, particularly if they are running down a contract. Obviously the majority of these sorts of gambles fail but we are constantly amazed at how other teams find players before they are worth millions and they do it by proper scouting and then taking a punt. I would suggest that being decent in the air and an ability to mix it will be a minimum requirement in League 1 but we need someone who can score a few goals and proven scorers at this level cost money that we don't have so we will have to roll the dice on players like this.

Of course gambles like this need enough slots in the squad too and we may still need someone a bit more proven at League 1 level to replace CKR who is surely not going to be around.

Just a 'business meeting' that just happens to have wine and nibbles surely ?

Just a 'business meeting' that just happens to have wine and nibbles surely ?

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

I think this is a very valid point. There is so much expectation because he looks absolute quality but we need to be wary of over-relying on his return to fitness and effectiveness. We've watched quality players before who never really recovered. Hopefully he will be back and strolling around bossing things but we need to just be a careful that we are not expecting too much too soon.
He's had such a long time out that only part of the challenge will be getting his body right. He's a lot younger than me but as someone who has had a bad knee injury it does play on your mind and even when I was back up and running I was aware that I was playing it a bit safe with any sports or exercise that I was doing. My physio helped me rebuild the structures around my knee and address some of the mental side but getting past it was a battle in the head as much as it was on the physio table or the gym. I still have a nagging doubt when my left leg is at full extension. 
Clubs employ sports psychologists to work on these things with players with long-term injuries but it is still going to be down to the individual to a degree and how they react and how mentally strong they are. We just don't know what kind of Bielik will return at the moment. Of course, it would be massive for us if he is anywhere close to what we saw in that purple patch so fingers crossed for him.