Alty_Ram

The main liquidation fear is not that DCFC aren't a viable prospect (in terms of football clubs) it's that the issues have the potential to scupper takeovers.
Blind faith that we're not going to be liquidated because there's a viable club and a strong fanbase in Derby is misplaced - until a deal is done and creditors paid the possibility of things falling apart is very real. Particually if it gets to wrangling over x or y party got screwed less in the proposed deal I'm not happy....
We're not too big to fail and we shouldn't kid ourselves we are.
On that depressing note i'm going to cheer myself up with some dry white toast and zero calory pop.

This is all starting to mess with my head a bit now. I just don't get the feeling that this is going to end well and we will just be joining the Bury fans in a chorus of 'This must never happen again'. Unfortunately though it will happen again and it will continue to happen because the structure and finances of football is fecked. Owners will continue to be irresponsible because of the insane imbalance in money between the Premier League and EFL and owners will continue to chance their arm to get a slice of that and be able to walk into the sunset after it has all turned to ratsh*t.
There's a report coming addressing governance... great, when ? Will it make some recommendations or will it actually do something ? The EFL is an incestuous opaque organisation ruled by self interested parties and applying rules that it seems to make up as it goes along. Utterly unfit for purpose and tacitly encourages relationships between clubs that are modelled on Lord of the Flies.
We've said all this before though. We've marched, we've protested, we've raised the public profile of our plight, we've contacted MPs and media outlets and we've taken to social media and we've backed the lads superbly and fans of other clubs who get what it is like to be in our situation have given us welcome support. There's been lots of supportive noises from a lot of quarters but all the people that can actually influence this are seemingly happy to watch us career off a cliff. How is this going to end up with anything other than liquidation ? If that is inevitable then I'd rather just get on with it. This death by a thousand cuts is unbearable. I'm sick of being dictated to by the EFL, I'm sick of seeing our players leave and be unable to sign anyone, I'm sick of having the smirking Broro and Wycombe chairman watching over our death throws and I'm sick of the uncertainty and stress.
There is talk and more talk and heartfelt words but who is going to actually going to fix this ?! Meanwhile our beloved club bleeds to death.

Make it stop.
We've been through enough already.
Wayne has been through enough already.
I have been through enough already.
Won't somebody out there, please make this stop.
Thank you.

Same... very distracted and feel a bit helpless. Any faith that this will end well/acceptably for us is fading fast. I know it seems a bit daft when you think of what else is going on in the world right now but times like this just make you realise how much it matters to us all to have our team survive ?

Anyone who thinks that the Parasite claims are not the MAIN obstacle are naive in the extreme. Of course there are other complexities but nothin compares to this as the potential jeopardy is so large. The EFL and the parasites are completely disingenuous about the issue and they know it. 

HMRC are likely only a problem due to the MFC/WW claims. The ridiculous claims are still the primary concern and if removed things would most likely move to a swift resolution afterwards.

Same... very distracted and feel a bit helpless. Any faith that this will end well/acceptably for us is fading fast. I know it seems a bit daft when you think of what else is going on in the world right now but times like this just make you realise how much it matters to us all to have our team survive ?

Agreed.
Not entirely sure how Gibson/Couhig can claim to know what the hold up is at our end, they will not be party to the discussions Quantuma have had with HMRC and Mel. 
Now we have a bidder squarely placing the blame onto the claims from Boro and Wycombe, it’s difficult to see how the EFL can also continue to hide behind other issues the club must deal with.
It’s been blatantly obvious for weeks now, regardless of what those 3 are trying to push out there in the media. 

This is all starting to mess with my head a bit now. I just don't get the feeling that this is going to end well and we will just be joining the Bury fans in a chorus of 'This must never happen again'. Unfortunately though it will happen again and it will continue to happen because the structure and finances of football is fecked. Owners will continue to be irresponsible because of the insane imbalance in money between the Premier League and EFL and owners will continue to chance their arm to get a slice of that and be able to walk into the sunset after it has all turned to ratsh*t.
There's a report coming addressing governance... great, when ? Will it make some recommendations or will it actually do something ? The EFL is an incestuous opaque organisation ruled by self interested parties and applying rules that it seems to make up as it goes along. Utterly unfit for purpose and tacitly encourages relationships between clubs that are modelled on Lord of the Flies.
We've said all this before though. We've marched, we've protested, we've raised the public profile of our plight, we've contacted MPs and media outlets and we've taken to social media and we've backed the lads superbly and fans of other clubs who get what it is like to be in our situation have given us welcome support. There's been lots of supportive noises from a lot of quarters but all the people that can actually influence this are seemingly happy to watch us career off a cliff. How is this going to end up with anything other than liquidation ? If that is inevitable then I'd rather just get on with it. This death by a thousand cuts is unbearable. I'm sick of being dictated to by the EFL, I'm sick of seeing our players leave and be unable to sign anyone, I'm sick of having the smirking Broro and Wycombe chairman watching over our death throws and I'm sick of the uncertainty and stress.
There is talk and more talk and heartfelt words but who is going to actually going to fix this ?! Meanwhile our beloved club bleeds to death.

This is all starting to mess with my head a bit now. I just don't get the feeling that this is going to end well and we will just be joining the Bury fans in a chorus of 'This must never happen again'. Unfortunately though it will happen again and it will continue to happen because the structure and finances of football is fecked. Owners will continue to be irresponsible because of the insane imbalance in money between the Premier League and EFL and owners will continue to chance their arm to get a slice of that and be able to walk into the sunset after it has all turned to ratsh*t.
There's a report coming addressing governance... great, when ? Will it make some recommendations or will it actually do something ? The EFL is an incestuous opaque organisation ruled by self interested parties and applying rules that it seems to make up as it goes along. Utterly unfit for purpose and tacitly encourages relationships between clubs that are modelled on Lord of the Flies.
We've said all this before though. We've marched, we've protested, we've raised the public profile of our plight, we've contacted MPs and media outlets and we've taken to social media and we've backed the lads superbly and fans of other clubs who get what it is like to be in our situation have given us welcome support. There's been lots of supportive noises from a lot of quarters but all the people that can actually influence this are seemingly happy to watch us career off a cliff. How is this going to end up with anything other than liquidation ? If that is inevitable then I'd rather just get on with it. This death by a thousand cuts is unbearable. I'm sick of being dictated to by the EFL, I'm sick of seeing our players leave and be unable to sign anyone, I'm sick of having the smirking Broro and Wycombe chairman watching over our death throws and I'm sick of the uncertainty and stress.
There is talk and more talk and heartfelt words but who is going to actually going to fix this ?! Meanwhile our beloved club bleeds to death.

This is all starting to mess with my head a bit now. I just don't get the feeling that this is going to end well and we will just be joining the Bury fans in a chorus of 'This must never happen again'. Unfortunately though it will happen again and it will continue to happen because the structure and finances of football is fecked. Owners will continue to be irresponsible because of the insane imbalance in money between the Premier League and EFL and owners will continue to chance their arm to get a slice of that and be able to walk into the sunset after it has all turned to ratsh*t.
There's a report coming addressing governance... great, when ? Will it make some recommendations or will it actually do something ? The EFL is an incestuous opaque organisation ruled by self interested parties and applying rules that it seems to make up as it goes along. Utterly unfit for purpose and tacitly encourages relationships between clubs that are modelled on Lord of the Flies.
We've said all this before though. We've marched, we've protested, we've raised the public profile of our plight, we've contacted MPs and media outlets and we've taken to social media and we've backed the lads superbly and fans of other clubs who get what it is like to be in our situation have given us welcome support. There's been lots of supportive noises from a lot of quarters but all the people that can actually influence this are seemingly happy to watch us career off a cliff. How is this going to end up with anything other than liquidation ? If that is inevitable then I'd rather just get on with it. This death by a thousand cuts is unbearable. I'm sick of being dictated to by the EFL, I'm sick of seeing our players leave and be unable to sign anyone, I'm sick of having the smirking Broro and Wycombe chairman watching over our death throws and I'm sick of the uncertainty and stress.
There is talk and more talk and heartfelt words but who is going to actually going to fix this ?! Meanwhile our beloved club bleeds to death.

Sometimes I think it matters more because of what's going on elsewhere in the world. What should be our sanctuary from the stresses of life is turning into one of them.
Heartbreaking.

It is indeed. For me my dad's deterioration is proceeding in tandem with that of the club we love and he has been obsessed with for 70 years. The Friday administration was confirmed was his first really ill night also.  To me the two feel so linked - as you say heartbreaking Angie. 

Same... very distracted and feel a bit helpless. Any faith that this will end well/acceptably for us is fading fast. I know it seems a bit daft when you think of what else is going on in the world right now but times like this just make you realise how much it matters to us all to have our team survive ?

Same... very distracted and feel a bit helpless. Any faith that this will end well/acceptably for us is fading fast. I know it seems a bit daft when you think of what else is going on in the world right now but times like this just make you realise how much it matters to us all to have our team survive ?

Did he or was it a Zoom call .
Mate I’m with you regarding saving Derby County  
I am in turmoil over the club and I’m just hoping as all Derby Fans are that it gets sorted.
The Club  survival as a going concern  is paramount In whatever league
 
It worries me to the extent that it’s on my mind all the time  
 

Shredding what's left of the squad for pocket money would surely not get us to the end of the season anyway. In any case, what does it solve ? More time to endure a stalemate while the people who can actually do anything about this shltshow posture and prevaricate. Kicking the can down the road a bit doesn't fix anything because decisions are usually only made when the clock is about to start chiming midnight. Make midnight 3 am and everyone sits down again and checks their phones while we wait. Extending the funding to see if we can shake off this travesty of Boro and WW 'football debt' is fine but after that ? I don't really see that extra time helps much.

This is all starting to mess with my head a bit now. I just don't get the feeling that this is going to end well and we will just be joining the Bury fans in a chorus of 'This must never happen again'. Unfortunately though it will happen again and it will continue to happen because the structure and finances of football is fecked. Owners will continue to be irresponsible because of the insane imbalance in money between the Premier League and EFL and owners will continue to chance their arm to get a slice of that and be able to walk into the sunset after it has all turned to ratsh*t.
There's a report coming addressing governance... great, when ? Will it make some recommendations or will it actually do something ? The EFL is an incestuous opaque organisation ruled by self interested parties and applying rules that it seems to make up as it goes along. Utterly unfit for purpose and tacitly encourages relationships between clubs that are modelled on Lord of the Flies.
We've said all this before though. We've marched, we've protested, we've raised the public profile of our plight, we've contacted MPs and media outlets and we've taken to social media and we've backed the lads superbly and fans of other clubs who get what it is like to be in our situation have given us welcome support. There's been lots of supportive noises from a lot of quarters but all the people that can actually influence this are seemingly happy to watch us career off a cliff. How is this going to end up with anything other than liquidation ? If that is inevitable then I'd rather just get on with it. This death by a thousand cuts is unbearable. I'm sick of being dictated to by the EFL, I'm sick of seeing our players leave and be unable to sign anyone, I'm sick of having the smirking Broro and Wycombe chairman watching over our death throws and I'm sick of the uncertainty and stress.
There is talk and more talk and heartfelt words but who is going to actually going to fix this ?! Meanwhile our beloved club bleeds to death.

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?