Alty_Ram

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

... and it may not seem like it but I also think it is useful to have a sensible if slightly tetchy discussion about this. An issue discussed in the closed confines of a partisan message board (yours and ours) will always have a huge element of bias so I am genuinely interested in your take on things even if I don't agree with a lot of what you say. It was always unlikely that folk would roll out the welcome mat but you've popped on here and made your case regardless so fair play for that at least.
The why's and wherefores of the key issues that we are facing have already been covered by others over the last several pages so I won't go over old ground but if you take anything away from here then understand a few key things. I can't speak for everyone but hopefully this will give you a flavour of some.
1) We understand completely who put us in administration. There seems to be a misconception amongst Boro fans that Derby fans are somehow living in denial over this. That is simply not the case, we feel badly let down and abandoned to our fate.
2) Derby fans feel very strongly that the club has accepted its punishment handed out by the relevant authority but that this was incredibly badly and inconsistently handled by the EFL who just seemed to be making it up as they went along and appealing their own panels decisions and that separate legal actions from other clubs just feel like a pile on when the club is on the brink of oblivion. The language from the EFL was very much that this would draw a line under things and that we could hopefully move on and rebuild. You may not see it as you track our results because the patchwork squad has done amazing things in very trying circumstances but our squad has been decimated by embargo, contracts expiring of the majority of our senior pros, and cheap vacuuming up of our the young players that we invested in and have brought through the academy. We have not been able to offer contracts to either senior players nor professional contracts to younger players who have left the club now and will continue to do so. The financial impact of all this is immeasurable and even if we survive will take a long long time to get over. You may feel from afar that we need further punishment, but given what I have just outlined we feel that we have been absolutely hammered.
3) Gibson is the bogeyman to Derby fans because in one of our darkest hours since I have supported this club that having been thrown under a bus and bleeding to death in the road that it now appears from a Derby perspective that we have someone who has wandered out of the pub opposite and is loitering to see if he can have our wallet because he thinks he's still owed a round (trying to avoid too much emotive language but that's how it feels). An existential threat to our club is completely pre-occupying Derby fans and you cannot be surprised that this is creating resentment as two wealthy men continue their feud but the club that we have supported through thick and thin just seems to be collateral damage in that ongoing battle of wills.
4) We have a narrow window to try and ensure the survival of this club in its current form not as some phoenix club in god knows what league. It feels that multiple parties don't give a damn about that due to their own agendas are on the brink of ensuring that we are running out of cards to play. In terms of rescuing the club there is precious little to buy apart from a lot of debt and a name so anything that adversely affects the attractiveness of any potential deal if a serious worry. Legal actions on top of punishments handed out by the EFL just feel like the last straw, regardless of when they were originally thought of.
We know how we got here, all that fans want now is for an opportunity to climb out of this damned hole and rescue this sometimes infuriating and mostly bloody marvellous club of ours. To do that we need the club to get out of the stranglehold of administration and that means somehow clearing the barriers to a sale.

For the love of God and all that's reasonable ..... Can we please just have a new owner ... This is dragging on longer than a sale at DFS .    I'm 54 and the clock is ticking 

I'd always read it that he had just had enough of chucking money into a bottomless pit (a pit of his own making to be fair) rather than his being short of money in any way. He is still a very wealthy man as I understand it.

I'd always read it that he had just had enough of chucking money into a bottomless pit (a pit of his own making to be fair) rather than his being short of money in any way. He is still a very wealthy man as I understand it.

I'd always read it that he had just had enough of chucking money into a bottomless pit (a pit of his own making to be fair) rather than his being short of money in any way. He is still a very wealthy man as I understand it.

I'd always read it that he had just had enough of chucking money into a bottomless pit (a pit of his own making to be fair) rather than his being short of money in any way. He is still a very wealthy man as I understand it.

I'd always read it that he had just had enough of chucking money into a bottomless pit (a pit of his own making to be fair) rather than his being short of money in any way. He is still a very wealthy man as I understand it.

? This season has been the most enjoyable to watch even with all the problems going on. Credit to Rooney, coaching staff, players and fans. If we could have every season like this i would be happy.

It's become an ugly caricature of itself for me, a Spitting Image puppet version of the game. When a player earning over £300k a week downs tools because his employer neglected to buy him a birthday cake, that's when I start edging towards the door. I sometimes wonder whether I'm even that fussed about Derby getting promoted. In some ways, I think the Championship is one of, if not the best league on the planet. The run up to and the play-offs themselves offer far more drama and excitement than anything the Premier League can offer, least to my eyes.

I'm similar in that these days we seem so remote from all that stuff that it almost feels like another sport - I used to watch PL games a lot when we had been there recently but its less and less these days. We seem to have been out of the top flight for an age and I'm getting out of touch with most of the players names and faces. I reckon I might struggle a bit with a pub quiz picture round on Premier League players.

I'm similar in that these days we seem so remote from all that stuff that it almost feels like another sport - I used to watch PL games a lot when we had been there recently but its less and less these days. We seem to have been out of the top flight for an age and I'm getting out of touch with most of the players names and faces. I reckon I might struggle a bit with a pub quiz picture round on Premier League players.

I'm similar in that these days we seem so remote from all that stuff that it almost feels like another sport - I used to watch PL games a lot when we had been there recently but its less and less these days. We seem to have been out of the top flight for an age and I'm getting out of touch with most of the players names and faces. I reckon I might struggle a bit with a pub quiz picture round on Premier League players.

I voted “No” to both for the following reasons:
1) They probably know their best chance of getting any money is to continue to blackmail the club and will find away to avoid it.
2) If they said yes then that would be good news for the club and we all know, “good news” and “Derby County” are words that seem to be mutually exclusive.

I'm starting to come around to Nicko